Two regressions that I noticed today in RH8:
When TrackPad panning is used, pressing Shift while orbiting an object causes a short stutter in the camera movement. In Rhino 7 this worked fine.
Switiching between display modes takes significantly longer in RH 8 than it did in RH7.
here is video of both behaviors:
to be clear, navigation with the TrackPad is unusable in this state… this need to be fixed **
update: this is only as horrible as shown above when Rhino is somehow “clogging up” over a short work session. With multiple files opened, this can happen in a matter of less than an hour, as only one instance has to clog up…
With a fresh Rhino restart, this effect is only very slightly visible, but still noticeable
here is a demonstration with a easy 2D file. The one that is stuttering is RH8. In order to make it stutter, one just has to pan around with the trackpad and then press Shift a few times…
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License details: Cloud Zoo
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Apple Inc.: Touch Bar Display
Apple Inc.: Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad
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Apple Inc.: FaceTime HD Camera (Built-in)
Apple Inc.: Apple T2 Controller
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Would it be possible to share this file so we can try to repeat the behavior?
No file necessary, it even happens with an empty Rhino file… of course clicking Shift many times, is just to show the effect more clearly. The “clogged up” version in my post above is however horrible…
The Shift + two-finger-Trackpad-pan does look awful in your video. I can’t seem to reproduce this at all. Rhino 7 and Rhino 8.7 are behaving the same way for me.
Here are the steps I’m taking to attempt to reproduce this:
Box in the viewport.Seems like I’m doing the same thing, right?
I’ve loaded a couple other line-work heavy files and tested in a top view as well and I can’t seem to get the stutter.
You forgot step #5: press the Shift button many times to make the effect more visible. The lag in a “lean” Rhino session is very small and barely noticable - only when you press mutliple times quickly the Shift key will it become visible.
In a non-lean Rhino file (aka Rhino is for some freakin reason getting slower during a work session) this effect will get worse and worse.
The miniscule lag is not critical, but still something that could be optimized, as it did not happen in RH7.
Unfortunately, try as I might, I still can’t figure out how to reproduce what you show in your initial comparison video. I can see it happening clear as day in your video, so I think I know what to look for, but even after pressing shift many times, I can’t reproduce this on my Mac. I suspect I need to do this a lot longer than 5 minutes though in order to see it.
Are you panning constantly while pressing shift multiple times a second? Then you should at least see the behavior posted above:
This is what it will look like in a “non-clogged state” on an Intel MBP16"
Yes. Well, as fast as I can. I’m tapping it pretty fast but maybe “only” 2-3 times per second.
Interesting. Maybe your AppleSilicon is too fast for this bug haha, have you tried it on an Intel Mac?
I have a 2020 Intel MBP with an AMD gpu and I can’t duplicate the behavior you described either.
I can manage to get the 2-finger zooming to quit by abusing the Shift key, but a Zoom Extents quickly sorts that too.
Here is a video of the actual behavior with an empty file. Again, keep in mind, that this is the state with an empty file.
In RH 7 there is no difference, everything stays super smooth.
It seems you’re running an external monitor off your laptop.
Does the problem go away if you disconnect the external monitor and run only on the native laptop screen?
Unfortunately no…
Although I heard it, external monitors in general seem to be a problem. (I am not clear about that in general, however…)
If it were me, I’d try resetting your Rhino PLIST:
https://wiki.mcneel.com/rhino/mac/resetprefs
Any luck?
just upgraded to a M1 Pro machine from my Intel Mac. The problem still persists, when having sth like 3 files opened… Although it is a bit faster now. Yes I have updated to the newest RH8