# Wish: different name for grasshopper groups

**URL:** <https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/wish-different-name-for-grasshopper-groups/166810>\
**Category:** Grasshopper\
**Tags:** windows, groups, group\
**Created:** [October 6, 2023, 11:22am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/wish-different-name-for-grasshopper-groups/166810 "2023-10-06T11:22:00Z")\
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**Author:** ![maje90](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/maje90/32/762888_2.png) [@maje90](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/maje90)\
**Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 11:22am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/wish-different-name-for-grasshopper-groups/166810/1 "2023-10-06T11:22:00Z")

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First is Rhino geometry groups.  
Second is Grasshopper groups (that still aren’t handled by new gh Beta components…?)  
Third is Grasshopper “component grouping” groups, which is totally unrelated to the first 2, yet have the same name and very similar icon.

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**Author:** ![DavidRutten](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/davidrutten/32/755688_2.png) [@DavidRutten](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/DavidRutten)\
**Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 12:17pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/wish-different-name-for-grasshopper-groups/166810/2 "2023-10-06T12:17:15Z")

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Geometry groups have been replaced by “tuples” in GH2. Tuples can store all kinds of values, not just shapes. Component groups are still called groups though. Can’t call them ‘boxes’. Can’t call them ‘frames’. They could be called ‘containers’, but I don’t like that word. Suggestions?

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**Author:** ![maje90](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/maje90/32/762888_2.png) [@maje90](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/maje90)\
**Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 12:28pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/wish-different-name-for-grasshopper-groups/166810/3 "2023-10-06T12:28:20Z")

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I’ve found myselft telling other people “make a group of those” while using grasshopper … and that is vague.

> [@DavidRutten](#):
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> Geometry groups have been replaced by “tuples” in GH2. Tuples can store all kinds of values, not just shapes.

That’s very useful! (It simplify a lot some tree handling, right?)

… still, Rhino have “groups” which simply are selection pre-sets, if i’m not wrong.  
Baking geometries already pre-grouped is useful. I still expect to have “groups” in grasshopper somewhere, and I expect them to be the same thing meant in Rhino.  
(btw, I can adapt to anything, I’m talking more about putting myself in the shoes of the students, new learners)

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> [@DavidRutten](#):
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> They could be called ‘containers’, but I don’t like that word. Suggestions?

I agree. But it’s already better than “groups”…

It’s a portion of the document, the canvas… a “patch”? “rag”?  
I don’t know too. 🙃

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**Author:** ![maje90](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/maje90/32/762888_2.png) [@maje90](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/maje90)\
**Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 12:37pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/wish-different-name-for-grasshopper-groups/166810/4 "2023-10-06T12:37:14Z")

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If Grasshopper groups (“containers”) had inputs to control its content

> [@Let's talk about Grasshopper 2.0](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/lets-talk-about-grasshopper-2-0/140402/115):
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> You can disable wire window selection in the status bar. I imagine depending on how people work it’s either going to be always on or always off, but still, toggling is not too hard. This has always been a problem, even in GH1. But yeah, we’ll need proper snapping and possibly some sort of auto-layout. Also possibly just ditching floating point coordinates for objects which don’t support that in their layout, which is making this so much worse. Good idea. Mass enable/disable and show/hide fo…

and see video here at 2:35 [How to manage a big definition? Any tips?](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/how-to-manage-a-big-definition-any-tips/134746)  
… that would mean going near to what **clusters** currently are.

Maybe we could end up with a single object type, the “cluster”, that can be in “packed state” (like current cluster) or “upacked state” (like current groups/containers).

Surely you have a better view of the situation…

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**Author:** ![Joseph\_Oster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/joseph_oster/32/549124_2.png) [@Joseph\_Oster](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Joseph_Oster)\
**Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 1:20pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/wish-different-name-for-grasshopper-groups/166810/5 "2023-10-06T13:20:05Z")

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> [@DavidRutten](#):
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> Suggestions?

**Canvas Groups** or **Code Groups** or **Component Groups** ❓ **cGroups** ❗

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**Post date:** [October 7, 2023, 8:37am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/wish-different-name-for-grasshopper-groups/166810/6 "2023-10-07T08:37:42Z")

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I haven’t made up my mind yet whether changing the name is a good idea on balance, but I think I like ‘bundle’ best. Short, semi-descriptive and doesn’t conflict with anything else.

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**Author:** ![Chris37](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/chris37/32/617529_2.png) [@Chris37](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Chris37)\
**Post date:** [October 7, 2023, 5:14pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/wish-different-name-for-grasshopper-groups/166810/7 "2023-10-07T17:14:29Z")

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> [@maje90](#):
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> Maybe we could end up with a single object type, the “cluster”, that can be in “packed state” (like current cluster) or “upacked state” (like current groups/containers).

like that thought