WIP (8) feedback

Serengeti (Rhino 8 BETA)
38

Hi @Joshua_Kennedy .
That new feature seems cool, but how is that related to this post?

39

Riccardo -

It was a direct answer to one of Ivan’s bullet points in this thread…

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40

Hi all again.

Made a video with a bunch of bugs.
(Again I’m not using WIP, I found those by simply messing around for some minutes…)

  • 00:24-00:38 SubD add crease: lets you pick not-visible edges while shaded mode (like if wireframe mode)
  • 00:45-01:30 if "MouseOverHighlight=true Insert SubD Loop command will abort if you confirm your selection after moving the mouse cursor. You need to select and then confirm without moving.
  • 01:45-02:10 “Snap to CPlane Z” snaps also at 45°-ish direction while drawing a rectangle and the camera is pointing downward
  • 02:10-03:00 clicking/toggling bottom status bar “Filter” button will not update (just visually) the floating “Selection Filters” window
  • 03:05-03:50 floating “Selection Filters” window is glitchy, some empty spaces, and resizing it will take one CPU core go 100% load
  • 03:55-04:10 editing the UI layout will cause a “ghost” rhino app appears on the Windows bottom bar
  • 04:20-05:05 floating windows like Curvature analysis or Zebra have often random sizes and are glitchy when resized, and some of its contents are much thinner than the available space (like curvature numerical min-max values). Shouldn’t those windows have a fixed dimension? Why the option to resize them? At least have the UI calculate its minimum sizes so one can just drag it to smallest size and forget about it.
    (Also, the handle still pops at only 1pixel thickness…)
41

Thanks @maje90 for reporting

I believe this is working as designed. The same happens for example if you select edges in subobject selection mode where only edges/curves are active or when selecting edges in DupEdge

I see this too, will add a report shortly.

RH-73327 Z-ortho snap issue

this one I cannot reproduce. Is this still the case for you in latest WIP?

RH-73328 SelectionFilter scaling issue

I cannot reproduce this here, is this still the case for you in latest WIP?

I’ve added a comment to the original YT item about the resize flickering
Also added specifics about the curvature window here RH-73329 CurvatureAnalysis window issues

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42

Are you sure?
On Rhino 7 it doesn’t work this way. On shaded mode you can select only visible edges/vertices while adding a crease, and this seems much more logical. If I want to select hidden edges, I would go with ghosted/wireframe mode…

You’re right, latest WIP doesn’t have this problem. My bad.

Even on latest WIP (8.0.23059.12305, 2023-02-28).
It’s not a “bug” , but … well… it’s there. Surely not to put on priority though…
visible also on task manager:
Rhino WIP UI process

43

3 posts were split to a new topic: OffSet SubD on part of SubD

46

2 posts were split to a new topic: Selection Highlight bug

48

Preferred is a new topic for a new bug, but I prefer a report over no report :slight_smile:

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49

1 topic for each new bug? Even little ones?
I do fear of spamming in the forum… I already fear to be posting too often here.
I wouldn’t like to be the creator of something similar:

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50

Yes, please.
-wim

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51

it might feel as overkill for you, but it makes tracking bugs much cleaner. (developers can look up the topic and don’t need to wade through the whole topic to find the bug that the report is about)
Furthermore, when it gets fixed, it makes the report complete and solves the topic, whereas with multiple bugs in one topic, things get cluttered.

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52

I fear the perception of other users browsing the forum :rofl:
Will do as you said.
Thanks for all the support and the post splitting!

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53

I see this now too, so it might indeed mean something is broken RH-73338 Selection in shaded mode selects edges that are invisible

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54

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1: Need a command to select only bare edges
2：Turn on the option of scaling the multi-operation pivot
d.3dm (1.5 MB)

55

I’m using an old Space Explorer (the dark blue model) and it works fine for me. No pauses.
Working on Win 10 as follows, my driver for the Space Explorer is old as the new one didn’t recognize the device at all.

Rhino 8 SR0 2023-2-28 (Rhino WIP, 8.0.23059.12305, Git hash:master @ 10feece0320668b32d425edee056eb7c5926abb2)
License type: Kommerziell, Build 2023-02-28
License details: Cloud Zoo
Expires on: 2023-04-14

Windows 10 (10.0.19044 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 80Gb)

Computer platform: DESKTOP

Standard graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: AMD Radeon RX 6800 (AMD) Memory: 16GB, Driver date: 2-10-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 Compatibility Profile Context 23.2.1.230210
> Accelerated graphics device with 7 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port #0

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: ATI Technologies Inc.
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60
Driver Date: 2-10-2023
Driver Version: 31.0.14001.45012
Maximum Texture size: 16384 x 16384
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 16384 x 16384
Total Video Memory: 57032 MB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Chaos Group\V-Ray\V-Ray for Rhinoceros\V7\VRayForRhino.rhp “V-Ray for Rhino”
C:\Program Files\Bongo 3.0 (64-bit)\BongoEtoUI.rhp “BongoEtoUI” 1.0.0.0
C:\Program Files\Bongo 3.0 (64-bit)\Rhino6\Bongo.30.rhp “Bongo 3.0”

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.0.23059.12305
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\WebBrowser.rhp “WebBrowser”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoScript.rhp “RhinoScript”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\IdleProcessor.rhp “IdleProcessor”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.0.23059.12305
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.0.23059.12305
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\rdk_ui.rhp “Renderer Development Kit UI”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.0.23059.12305
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoRoslyn.rhp “RhinoRoslyn” 8.0.23059.12305
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.0.23059.12305
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCPython.rhp “RhinoCPython” 8.0.23059.12305
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.0.23059.12305
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\ConstraintsUI.rhp “Constraints UI” 8.0.23059.12305
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

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56

tool icons sidebar not visible in M2 Max MacBook Pro Ventura 13.3.1 when change to dark in sys prefs.

Screenshot 2023-04-28 at 23.20.41
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57

RH-73328 is fixed in the latest WIP

58

Can I put Layers in the middle? I like new toolbar with button for hide or show but I always work with propierties on the top and layers in the bottom.

Captura de pantalla 2023-08-04 110556
Captura de pantalla 2023-08-04 110556967×1353 99 KB

59

Hi José -

Yes. First drag the Layers panel into the viewports area to make it float. Then move the new container to the bottom below the docked container. A small blue square will appear (see image). Land the new container on that square.
image

-wim

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60

I have switched to WiP trying to give it a go afer a long pause. I like the new features but the poor performance kills all the effort. Once the model becomes slightly more complex WiP start ‘thinking’ after anything I do: draw a line - thinking, move edge - thinking, change layer - thinking. I don’t even dare changing materials or environment because it takes minute to do any edit. The overall experience in horrible. No such problems in V7.
At the moment, as I am writing, Rhino does nothing in the background yet it takes all the machine resources:

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My laptop is quite old and, sooner or later, I am facing the change but I will never be able to justify the cost of investing in 20 new machines in my team for better clipping planes.

Rhino 8 SR0 2023-8-1 (Rhino WIP, 8.0.23213.14305, Git hash:master @ 0b67a0b3062ce94adf40f027fd9fa82c657ec0f7)
License type: Commercial, build 2023-08-01
License details: Cloud Zoo
Expires on: 2023-09-15

Windows 10 (10.0.19045 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 16Gb)

Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [89% battery remaining]

Non-hybrid graphics configuration.

  • Primary display and OpenGL: Radeon Pro 560X (AMD) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 11-7-2022 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.14761 Compatibility Profile Context FireGL 21.30.44.17 30.0.13044.17006*

  • Integrated accelerated graphics device with 6 adapter port(s)*

  •    - Windows Main Display is laptop's integrated screen or built-in port*
  • Primary OpenGL: Radeon Pro 560X (AMD) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 11-7-2022 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.14761 Compatibility Profile Context FireGL 21.30.44.17 30.0.13044.17006*

  • Integrated accelerated graphics device with 6 adapter port(s)*

  •    - Windows Main Display is laptop's integrated screen or built-in port*

OpenGL Settings

  • Safe mode: Off*
  • Use accelerated hardware modes: On*
  • Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On*
  • Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)*
  • Anti-alias mode: 8x*
  • Mip Map Filtering: Linear*
  • Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High*
  • Vendor Name: ATI Technologies Inc.*
  • Render version: 4.6*
  • Shading Language: 4.60*
  • Driver Date: 11-7-2022*
  • Driver Version: 30.0.13044.17006*
  • Maximum Texture size: 16384 x 16384*
  • Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits*
  • Maximum Viewport size: 16384 x 16384*
  • Total Video Memory: 4 GB*

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino

  • C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\SolidTools.rhp “SolidTools” *
  • C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.0.23213.14305*
  • C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\WebBrowser.rhp “WebBrowser” *
  • C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit” *
  • C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.0.23213.14305*
  • C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoRender.rhp “Legacy Rhino Render” *
  • C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.0.23213.14305*
  • C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\rdk_ui.rhp “Renderer Development Kit UI” *
  • C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots” *
  • C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.0.23213.14305*
  • C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.0.23213.14305*
  • C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Grasshopper\GrasshopperPlugin.rhp “Grasshopper” 8.0.23213.14305*
  • C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.0.23213.14305*
  • C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.0.23213.14305*
  • C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse” *
  • C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement” *
  • C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools” *
  • C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\NamedPositions.rhp “Named Position”*