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stevebaer · October 14, 2017, 7:41pm

The intent is to make Rhino responsive. In your case this is not happening and dynamic downgrading is kicking in. I’ll keep investigating this line of GPUs.

Toshiaki_Takano · October 15, 2017, 12:02am

@stevebaer
On the 10 10 WIP I’ve used it in bootcamp of macbook pro i5 8GB with Intel hd 5100
comes to a complete halt…
need to hard reboot.
Turning tessellation off makes it going though it’s a bit slow on view other than wireframe.

stevebaer · October 15, 2017, 4:26pm

That is a sure sign of a driver crash. These are really hard to work around.

Is Rhino slow with all models/display modes on this computer?

Holo · October 15, 2017, 5:07pm

Maybe doing a full Rhino 6 removal and reinstall can help too. I did that on one occasion to get rid of some old settings and also had to do so a few times during the v5 wip cylcle. (By the way I wish there was a McNeel tool to remove all Rhino WIP related settings in the regestry and all files related to the program)

stevebaer · October 15, 2017, 5:48pm

There are almost no settings saved in the registry anymore. Open file explorer and go to
%appdata%\McNeel\Rhinoceros\6.0

Deleting the settings directory and the Plug-Ins directory will delete all of the saved settings and force Rhino to use defaults.

nathanletwory · October 15, 2017, 6:53pm

And if you feel like it, maybe even just rename the settings folder, so that the XML files can be compared once you have configured Rhino to work again as you normally do.

Toshiaki_Takano · October 15, 2017, 9:39pm

Wireframe seemed ok. But I haven’t done much like just drawing a curve and making one extrusion.
I need to open some files to check.
Maybe I’ll try installing different version of the driver.
Any report from anyone using bootcamp?

Charles · October 16, 2017, 6:24am

Sounds good.
I also have a Surface Pro 4, i5, Intel Graphics as well.
V5 runs super, V6 not.

Holo · October 16, 2017, 8:40am

Sounds good, but did this change during the WIP stage, because I have lots of settings under each “plugin” folder of “Rhinoceroc - 6 - Plug-Ins” in HKEY_CURRENT_USER, HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE and also some in HKEY_USERS

(Click image to see full length, and still that is about half)

stevebaer · October 16, 2017, 12:10pm

Those values are still stored in the registry. That is a list of where plug-ins are located and what their commands are.

Michael_Meyer · December 12, 2017, 8:53am

Hi @jeff, and @stevebaer,

with the latest Windows 10 updates Rhino 6 Beta and now also Rhino 5 64-bit (SR14) are still runing in slowness mode. One click in the viewport every 10 seconds is possible. Remark: Rhino 5 32-Bit is running normally without this slowness.

Here again my system info:

Rhino 6 SR0 2017-12-5 (Rhino WIP, 6.0.17339.11131, Git hash:master @ 01128be76fcfa21764b3cd10786b227fe05fc7bb)

Windows 10.0 SR0.0 or greater (Physical RAM: 3.9Gb)

Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 (OpenGL ver:4.0.0 - Build 10.18.10.4425)

OpenGL Settings
  Safe mode: Off
  Use accelerated hardware modes: On
  Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
  
  Anti-alias mode: 4x
  Mip Map Filtering: Linear
  Anisotropic Filtering Mode: Height
  
  Vendor Name: Intel
  Render version: 4.0
  Shading Language: 4.00 - Build 10.18.10.4425
  Driver Date: 4-4-2016
  Driver Version: 10.18.10.4425
  Maximum Texture size: 16384 x 16384
  Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
  Maximum Viewport size: 16384 x 16384
  Total Video Memory: 2114912 KB

C:\Program Files\Rhino WIP\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp	"Commands"	
C:\Program Files\Rhino WIP\Plug-ins\WebBrowser.rhp	"WebBrowser"	
C:\Program Files\Rhino WIP\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp	"Renderer Development Kit"	
C:\Program Files\Rhino WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoRender.rhp	"Rhino Render"	
C:\Program Files\Rhino WIP\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp	"RDK_EtoUI"	
C:\Program Files\Rhino WIP\Plug-ins\rdk_ui.rhp	"Renderer Development Kit UI"	
C:\Program Files\Rhino WIP\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp	"Snapshots"	
C:\Program Files\Rhino WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp	"RhinoCycles"	
C:\Program Files\Rhino WIP\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp	"Toolbars"	
C:\Program Files\Rhino WIP\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp	"3Dconnexion 3D Mouse"	
C:\Program Files\Rhino WIP\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp	"Displacement"

Thanks

Michael
www.flexiCAD.com

sach · December 12, 2017, 11:37am

Hi all

I had a similar issue with WIP versions on my DELL Precision with Quadro K1100M graphics. Wireframe mode was ok, comparable to v5, but any shaded mode suffered a lot of lag when trying to move around the viewport.

Since updating to BETA, the problem has altogether disappeared!

Sach

stevebaer · December 12, 2017, 7:02pm

If Rhino 5 (64 bit) is now running slow, I would assume there is a problem related to the Intel 64 bit OpenGL drivers in Windows 10. Sometimes Windows doesn’t do a great job of updating graphics drivers when the operating system updates. I would see if there are new Intel drivers available for the Intell HD 4000 as a first shot.

I hate telling people that they need to update their drivers, but in this case if things suddenly became slow after updating Windows this is the first thing to point fingers at.

Michael_Meyer · December 12, 2017, 7:57pm

Hi Steve,

I’ve followed this instruction, and ended up in the result “Windows has the latest drivers, there is nothing to update”

Then I have downloaded the latest driver from Intels homepage:
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/product/96743/Intel-HD-Graphics-for-4th-Generation-Intel-Processors

The installation fails with the warning “this system doesn’t have the minimum requirenments”:
no_minimum_requirenemts

What to try next?

Thanks

Michael
www.flexiCAD.com

stevebaer · December 12, 2017, 10:38pm

I wish I knew. Am I correct in that the performance drop happened in all versions of Rhino after you performed a recent update of Windows? If that is the case, I could try to contact someone at Microsoft to see if there is anything they can do.

Michael_Meyer · December 12, 2017, 10:45pm

Hi Steve,

it seams that the driver was not updated, when I compare the current Driver Version: 10.18.10.4425 (now), to the Driver Version: 10.18.10.4425 from 4 months ago (5. Sept 2017).

Rhino 5 32-Bit and Rhino 4.0 (hardware acceleration on) work without problems.

So, perhaps it is another Windows 10 problem. Yes, Microsoft should contact me about it. (I can’t use Rhino 5 64-Bit and Rhino 6 Beta anymore on my main PC).

Thanks

Michael

stevebaer · December 12, 2017, 10:48pm

Is there something you want me to do? I want to help, just not sure what the best next step is.

Michael_Meyer · December 12, 2017, 10:52pm

What do you suggest, is there an official support way? (Microsoft is your neighbour )

stevebaer · December 12, 2017, 11:04pm

Ha! I chat with my neighbors less than people from other parts of the world.

I have one contact at Microsoft that I can try. I’ve never had much luck with finding the right person to talk to, but it doesn’t hurt to try again.

Michael_Meyer · December 12, 2017, 11:10pm

Don’t you have some chrismas-markets to go outside in the cold? We love these x-mas market meetings.

Yeah, better a try, than nothing.