# Toolbars... from bad to worse. Will it ever get right?

**URL:** <https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/toolbars-from-bad-to-worse-will-it-ever-get-right/223536>\
**Category:** Serengeti (Rhino BETA)\
**Tags:** windows\
**Created:** [October 13, 2026, 10:47am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/toolbars-from-bad-to-worse-will-it-ever-get-right/223536 "2026-10-13T10:47:58Z")\
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**Author:** ![tobias](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/tobias/32/489897_2.png) [@tobias](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/tobias)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2026, 10:47am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/toolbars-from-bad-to-worse-will-it-ever-get-right/223536/1 "2026-10-13T10:47:58Z")

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Hi everybody,

I just downloaded and tried the new Rhino 9 Beta… and it took me 1-2 min to dismiss it.

A toolbar (RUI file) was loaded and I wanted to close it, so I navigated to Window \> Toolbars and Macros. The dialog I got is so much unintuitive… I didn’t know where to start.

First of all I saw the toolbar in question with a (Needs Permission) tag. What the hell does that mean and how to grant it? Ok, I found it then: Right Click.. ok. Still I have no idea what “permission” I granted.

But then I wanted to close it and there is just no way to close it. Under File \> Close RUI file is greyed out. Tja… what now McNeel? Same with default.rui. I am not able to close it? WTF

All in all a disappointing start with Rhino 9 Beta

greetins, Tobias

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**Author:** ![Japhy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/japhy/32/487647_2.png) [@Japhy](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Japhy)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2026, 12:19pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/toolbars-from-bad-to-worse-will-it-ever-get-right/223536/2 "2026-10-13T12:19:07Z")

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Hi Tobias,

The “Needs Permission” tag is about the file format, not access rights. It means the RUI file was saved by Rhino 7 or earlier, so editing it in 9 will upgrade it to a format Rhino 7 can’t open. I agree this needs better messaging.

[RH-99541](https://mcneel.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/RH-99541) Toolbars: “Needs Permission” label is unclear

> [@tobias](#):
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> Under File \> Close RUI file is greyed out

I might need more info to narrow this down. Where is the Rui saved? is this from a plugin?

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**Author:** ![tobias](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/tobias/32/489897_2.png) [@tobias](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/tobias)\
**Post date:** [October 14, 2026, 6:12am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/toolbars-from-bad-to-worse-will-it-ever-get-right/223536/3 "2026-10-14T06:12:16Z")

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Hi Japhy, thanks for your answer.

The RUI is from Rhino 7 and is part of a plugin created with the script compiler.  
It’s saved to AppData/Roaming… it should be possible to turn that off.

But even the default.rui the close option is greyed out. So there is something wrong anyway.

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**Author:** ![Gijs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/gijs/32/481553_2.png) [@Gijs](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Gijs)\
**Post date:** [October 14, 2026, 7:06pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/toolbars-from-bad-to-worse-will-it-ever-get-right/223536/4 "2026-10-14T19:06:18Z")

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> [@tobias](#):
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> But even the default.rui the close option is greyed out

I discussed this this afternoon with @CallumSykes and that limitation will be removed. He said currently this is disabled for default.rui and plugin rui’s.

[RH-99585](https://mcneel.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/RH-99585) default.rui and plugin rui’s can’t be closed

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**Author:** ![tobias](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/tobias/32/489897_2.png) [@tobias](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/tobias)\
**Post date:** [October 14, 2026, 7:26pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/toolbars-from-bad-to-worse-will-it-ever-get-right/223536/5 "2026-10-14T19:26:12Z")

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Hi Gijs, thats good news thanks!