Suggestions for Making Rhino a Better Program


#41

in principle…nothing

However, your beef with Discourse IS a red flag, IMO


(Rcyewchuk) #42

Let’s face it Revit is overpriced and lacks a lot of features. Which is why I am suggesting that McNeel take over the Revit business by offering an improved version of Revit’s features but with the added functionality of Rhino3d commands. This would of course all be for a stand alone perpetual license price. I am asking McNeel to save us from this abusive monopoly imposed on us by Autodesk!!!


(Miguel Villegas Ballesta) #43

With all due respect, I´m afraid you don´t understand the amount of effort, knowledge and man-hours that any piece of software has behind it.
Revit is overpriced? IMHO yes.
Rhino is underpriced? YES. We get MUCH more than we pay for (10x in case of edu-commercial licenses).
Is it easy to all everything you want to Rhino? OMG NO. It could be done, but not easily.


#44

No, just highlight the comment. The Quote button appears automatically. When you press it the quote is inserted automatically into your existing post where you left the cursor. If you haven’t started a post, a new one is created. It’s very elegant really, sorry it’s too complicated for you…


(Loomis) #45

I’d recommend you look into BricsCAD BIM and BricsCAD Shape. They are already providing a lot of the functionality you requested and they use the DWG format so it’ll play well with Rhino.

BricsCAD BIM: https://www.bricsys.com/en-us/bim/

BricsCAD Shape: https://www.bricsys.com/en-us/shape/


#46

This might help to mimic Sketchup modeling workflow. You could assign shortcuts to the jamparc commands.

Remark: This tool was developed before gumball/sub-object selection got popular.


#47

Yes… Marketing :expressionless:

Philip


(Rcyewchuk) #48

I thought of another new command you could add to the new proposed Architectural tab
in Rhino. The “hotwire” command. Hotwire would enable the user to slice through any object and cut it into two separate pieces that could then be moved apart and worked on separately.
The hotwire cutting edge would be just like a real physical hotwire and the 3d object would be like a block of butter. Yes yellow butter, the kind you eat. The length and shape of the cutting edge (the hotwire) could take on whatever shape you wanted including another solid and it’s length and cutting path could also be varied so that you could cut a curve or only part way through the 3d object. The hotwire command could be used in place of the Boolean split command but would be much more intuitive and quicker to use.


#49

That is called Wirecut.


(Phil) #50

We use ARCHICAD BIM (Graphisoft), Rhino and Grasshopper. The bi-directional linkages readily available for us with these tools are powerful and very useful indeed. We are a finance, development and built environment company so being able to span GIS, BIM, Generative and algorithmic planning, urban design and financial analytics is key for us. You might want to look into the ARCHICAD-RHINO-GRASSHOPPER triad. ACHICAD, btw, runs natively (and very fast) on Windows and macOS. I think it might go some way to achieving the things you are hoping for…

My 2 cents


(Phil) #51

We have used Autodesk products (Autocad, Revit etc) and they don’t really come close to the level of productive object intelligence that the Graphisoft folks built into their software from the beginning in the mid 1980s. We hear a lot about “most architects are moving to Revit…” but as a result of our experience are quite skeptical about the expensive marketing hype that Autodesk pours into Revit and the fact that the product only runs on one operating system…the maintenance headaches are enormous…

We find that we can exchange IFC files very easily (and with the necessary high fidelity and accuracy) with other BIM and CAM systems. So having ARCHICAD, Rhino and Grasshopper all working as a Design/BIM/Algorithmic ecosystem works very well indeed for our development, finance and built environment design/build firm.


#52

People seen to forget a large amount of existing AutoCAD users went for Revit simply by inertia with the naive assumption it would be better for handling and integrating DWG files. (Not really, it exchange files with the same or less efficiency than the others. Rhino integrates bettter with DWG than Revit by the way).

People also did not mention AutoDesk is trying to impose the .RVT format as the “de facto” BIM exchange format (instead of the vendor neutral IFC) in order to perpetuate their near monopoly / chokehold they have been keeping on the AEC industry since the 80s and 90s via their DWG proprietary format.

I would agree with Phil’s approach (ArchiCAD/Rhino/Grasshopper connection) for a larger more specialised firm and would suggest VisualARQ and/or Rhino would be feasible for smaller firms/ projects with smaller budgets and tight deadlines.

Either way, IFC and/or 3DM must be mandatory as alternative BIM exchange formats in the execution plan in order to overcome the Revit Pharisees (gatekeepers of the sacred RVT format)

My 30 cents,


(Rcyewchuk) #53

That’s siemen. Good call.


(Rcyewchuk) #54

Archicad is $5800!!! Way beyond my price range. If Rhino3d had an architectural tab included with the software which had full BIM capabilities and Sketchup Pro’s pencil draw on face tool as well as the push pull tool included, I could offer BIM services to my clients. Wouldn’t it be nice if McNeel offered a poor man’s version of Archicad? Because I strongly believe McNeel would offer a much better BIM software for at least half the price of Archicad.


(Phil) #55

My other 2 cents on this…Professionals operating in the field of design need to stop thinking of themselves and the huge (and measurable) economic value they deliver to society and clients, as “poor” or as some kind of cheap, discretionary drafting service. I don’t recall paying $5,000+ for ARCHICAD BTW - maybe we did. We have commercial licenses with annual automatic upgrades - and we find that its well worth it because of the significant productivity gains we achieve.

Since we aren’t a “drafting service” (as some clients and developers mistakenly like to think of designers and architects), and never refer to ourselves as such, we price our services along the same lines as attorneys and high-value added management consultancies like McKinsey, A.T. Kearney, Boston Consulting Group and Booz Allen. If clients baulk thinking that they might have been able to get away with top-drawwer design, planning and development services on the cheap, we tell them we aren’t the firm for them.

We find (and its only our perspective and experience that tells us this- others may well differ) that you get what you pay for whether its technology or professional services. Cut down products never work well and aren’t worth the money you pay for them or the on-going hassles and manpower costs associated with making them do things they were never designed to do…


#56

So what about the Rhino users who have no use for that? Would we be expected to pay half the price of Archicad for tools that we don’t need?

My suggestion would be to do the following:

  1. Make a list of tools that you feel are lacking in Rhino
  2. Learn some basic Python programming
  3. Write your own scripts to handle what you listed in point #1

That’s how we handled the lack of dedicate mechanical tools in Rhino. I currently have around 280 commands compiled into a plug-in that turns Rhino into a great tool for mechanical design and manufacturing.

I’m not being flippant with this post. You will find one of Rhino’s strongest attributes is the ability to let the user create their own tool set. If I could do it, so could you. I’m not a programmer, I’m an old tool and die maker with no formal education in programming. It’s pretty easy to figure out, and this forum is a great resource for help.

Dan


(Rcyewchuk) #57

Actually Dan I do have an undergraduate degree in Computer Science and a graduate degree in Architecture. Sure I could drop everything I am doing and write an entire BIM software package complete with everything I have mentioned previously, but I have chosen to spend my time doing Architecture and designing buildings. Writing Python scripts is the job of the computer programmers at McNeel. I can’t do everything. Besides I think most of the programmers at McNeel have plenty of time to write these new BIM commands for the new proposed Architectural tab and I actually don’t think they would charge ANYTHING EXTRA for these new BIM commands within the New proposed architectural tab. Yes I think the price would likely remain the same as it is now even with these new commands!!!


(David Cockey) #58

:roll_eyes:
I’ve seen no evidence that anyone at McNeel is sitting around looking for projects, and lots of evidence that they have a backlog of work which needs to get done.


#59

So what you’re saying is that you are more qualified than I am to write your own tools.

I didn’t “drop everything” to get where we’re at today. It was a work in progress, and occasionally still is. How you choose to spend your time is your call, but you are left waiting and depending on others to give you tools that you are qualified to make yourself. But, like I said, your call.

That’s a hell of a lot of assumptions. So the McNeel programmers are sitting around doing very little, your project will give them something to do, and then they will give it away for free. Wow!

Do you work for free?


(Pascal Golay) #60

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