# Rotale Level cplanes

**URL:** <https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410>\
**Category:** VisualARQ\
**Tags:** windows\
**Created:** [February 23, 2024, 8:29am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410 "2024-02-23T08:29:17Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![ar00302](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/ar00302/32/757731_2.png) [@ar00302](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/ar00302)\
**Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 8:29am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410/1 "2024-02-23T08:29:17Z")

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Hello. Can i rotate the level cplanes created by visualarq? I found some old threads but i don’t understand the procedure. Using rhino cplanes commands doesn’t seem to save the orientation in level cplanes.

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**Author:** ![alfmelbev](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/alfmelbev/32/541989_2.png) [@alfmelbev](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/alfmelbev)\
**Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 8:42am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410/2 "2024-02-23T08:42:37Z")

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Hi @ar00302,

VisualARQ levels will always be horizontal, why do you need to rotate them?

In case you need to save different CPlanes, maybe you can use the “Named CPlanes” Rhino panel:

 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/uploads/default/original/4X/6/5/7/65741102c00e35128176d3300a40bd7c41d17d6e.png)

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**Author:** ![ar00302](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/ar00302/32/757731_2.png) [@ar00302](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/ar00302)\
**Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 9:02am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410/3 "2024-02-23T09:02:02Z")

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I want to stay horizontal with the building not with the world cplane.  
The building is not parallel to the world cplane.  
For each building i create i want to orient the level cplanes in a way that it will be parallel to one side of the building.

 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/uploads/default/original/4X/5/0/6/506c5721adf39fe022eb840c18c7811c589bf881.png)  
I want when i create a view , lets say top-floor1 to be parallel with the front view of my building.  
If i create a second building i want a different orientation.  
As i am able to set an elevation for each new building, isn’t logical to set an origin and a rotation to the true north?  
If i create a named cplane, this will not be assigned with va top-floor1.

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**Author:** ![alfmelbev](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/alfmelbev/32/541989_2.png) [@alfmelbev](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/alfmelbev)\
**Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 9:31am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410/4 "2024-02-23T09:31:02Z")

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Hi @ar00302,

Yes, you are right. I complete agree with you. I have already requested this feature so I will let you know when it is implemented.

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**Author:** ![ar00302](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/ar00302/32/757731_2.png) [@ar00302](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/ar00302)\
**Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 9:42am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410/5 "2024-02-23T09:42:58Z")

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It sound very simple to implement, and very crucial to start a new study.  
Please hurry up on this.

Thank you.

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**Author:** ![alfmelbev](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/alfmelbev/32/541989_2.png) [@alfmelbev](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/alfmelbev)\
**Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 10:09am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410/6 "2024-02-23T10:09:06Z")

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In any case, if you have only one building or all the building have got the same orientation, I see you can rotate the CPlane and this rotation will be saved in all levels:

![CPlanes](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/uploads/default/original/4X/7/e/5/7e55e8f4e72beb139871754a8042ab3179ec4b3c.gif)

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**Author:** ![ar00302](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/ar00302/32/757731_2.png) [@ar00302](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/ar00302)\
**Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 10:32am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410/7 "2024-02-23T10:32:33Z")

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I use visualarq 3 beta. Is this a bug? I cannot do that?

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**Author:** ![jerry.bakowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/jerry.bakowski/32/608780_2.png) [@jerry.bakowski](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/jerry.bakowski)\
**Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 10:54am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410/8 "2024-02-23T10:54:26Z")

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If you just want to make print layout, you can define a CPlane (the named one is the best option) aligned to your design, then get its plan view, then save it as a named view, and finally set this view within your detail. With rotated space tags should work perfectly.  
Cheers, Jaro  
edit: I still call CPlanes as UCS…

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**Author:** ![alfmelbev](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/alfmelbev/32/541989_2.png) [@alfmelbev](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/alfmelbev)\
**Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 11:11am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410/9 "2024-02-23T11:11:17Z")

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Hi @ar00302,

I am testing it using the VisualARQ 3 beta version and it is working fine in my case… How are you reproducing the error? Maybe we are doing it in different ways…

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**Author:** ![ar00302](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/ar00302/32/757731_2.png) [@ar00302](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/ar00302)\
**Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 6:14pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410/10 "2024-02-23T18:14:20Z")

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**Author:** ![ar00302](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/ar00302/32/757731_2.png) [@ar00302](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/ar00302)\
**Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 6:17pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410/11 "2024-02-23T18:17:50Z")

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As you can see i am also able to modify the cplane, but when i execute set floor plan the angle change.  
As i wrote its extremely simple.  
Every building should have an elevation (it has) **an origin and a rotation**.

As you can see in my video after set floor plan, it hold the origin but reset the rotation to World Top.

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**Author:** ![ar00302](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/ar00302/32/757731_2.png) [@ar00302](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/ar00302)\
**Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 6:20pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410/12 "2024-02-23T18:20:28Z")

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A VA view has a lot of things setup. I don’t want to manual make views.

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**Author:** ![alfmelbev](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/alfmelbev/32/541989_2.png) [@alfmelbev](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/alfmelbev)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 11:18am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410/13 "2024-02-26T11:18:02Z")

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Hi @ar00302,

I see the problem. It happens only clicking in “Set floor/ceiling plan”. I’ll report it to find a solution.

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**Author:** ![ar00302](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/ar00302/32/757731_2.png) [@ar00302](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/ar00302)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 11:42am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410/14 "2024-02-26T11:42:08Z")

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Please add this in the software. Its very simple math’s:

Every building should have an elevation (it has) **an origin and a rotation** to World Top.

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**Author:** ![miguelayora3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/miguelayora3/32/762571_2.png) [@miguelayora3](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/miguelayora3)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2024, 6:01am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410/15 "2024-03-02T06:01:24Z")

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Alfonso, I would like the rhino align function to work correctly with the c plane rotated, to align VA objects

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**Author:** ![alfmelbev](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/alfmelbev/32/541989_2.png) [@alfmelbev](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/alfmelbev)\
**Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 12:28pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410/16 "2024-03-04T12:28:59Z")

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Hi @miguelayora3,

Yes, I know, I already added this requested to our list. We will let you know when this is fixed.

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**Author:** ![microinspire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/microinspire/32/682355_2.png) [@microinspire](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/microinspire)\
**Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 8:19am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410/17 "2025-06-23T08:19:37Z")

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Hi, is there any progress now for this problem?

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**Author:** ![fsalla](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/fsalla/32/548133_2.png) [@fsalla](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/fsalla)\
**Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 11:58am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410/18 "2025-06-23T11:58:05Z")

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Hi @microinspire which problem do you mean?

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**Author:** ![microinspire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/microinspire/32/682355_2.png) [@microinspire](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/microinspire)\
**Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:04pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410/19 "2025-06-23T12:04:25Z")

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this cplan problem showed by Ar00302

 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/uploads/default/original/4X/d/3/3/d330b79d60300b155c473c3a05bde120c71c31ba.png)

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**Author:** ![fsalla](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/fsalla/32/548133_2.png) [@fsalla](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/fsalla)\
**Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:29pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rotale-level-cplanes/176410/20 "2025-06-23T12:29:22Z")

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@microinspire thanks! I regret to say there is no improvement for this issue yet.

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