Propongo una petizione affinché gli sviluppatori mantengano il blu indaco per le icone principali che conosciamo da sempre in Rhino. Il celeste puffo rompe col passato e lo fa in maniera stridente.
Rinnovare va bene, ma stravolgere per peggiorare, solo per proporre cose nuove, non è un buon atteggiamento.
La familiarità del colore originario, le forme classiche delle icone, andrebbero preservate, poiché rappresentano il marchio di fabbrica del software, la sua riconoscibilità.
Quando vedo la nuova palette di colore nella barra degli strumenti a sinistra, penso “ma si tratta di Rhinoceros?”
Appare ancora più brutta, slavata, poco contrastata, se lo sfondo è grigio. Con il tema Black risulta migliore, secondo me.
Cerchiamo di non imbruttire l’interfaccia e di mantenere una certa familiarità.
As mentioned earlier in the topic last year, the ideal solution for the Rhino UI is to offer an option to choose from two or more icon styles:
Classic indigo Rhino icons from V7 and V8, ideal for the majority of long-time Rhino users, colour-blind users and those who prefer easy to read icons with strong outlines;
Highly colourful V9 icons for those who are not colour-blind, dislike the classic indigo colour and instead prefer low contrast icons with washed-out outlines;
Black and white icons (I read that a few people prefer these, especially for the dark theme that’s reminiscent of Photoshop’s dark mode).
I agree with some of the points made by davide76 & Bobi and style options to choose from could be very good instead of the current proposal by McNeel. Everyone has their own preferences, and it’s great that the Rhino user interface can be customized.
However offering everything can also mean offering nothing. A good user interface also depends on the default settings working well for most users, so that not everyone has to constantly change everything.
I agree, colors interact differently with different environments (surroundings), therefor the colors would have to be adjusted extra for each a light theme and a dark theme, unless McNeel says that there is only one theme left.
“Color is the most relative medium in art" – Josef Albers
I absolutely LOVE the new design, and I hope that it even evolves further as new versions keep coming.
Change always meet resistance and in this thread one can clearly see the ones resisting and using every conceivable way for things to go their way, which, for a software used by thousands is frankly idiotic.
I’ve been using Rhino since v5 and I believe you guys are doing a great job, and in any case nothing is forever, least of all the friggin’ colors of icons!
Rhino is heavily customizable, and that should suffice the picky ones. The vast majority -silent, as usual- are very pleased with this magnificent piece of software and will continue to support you guys in your hard work to keep Rhino evolving into the future of 3d modelling.
You guys are the ones working on this, you guys are the ones getting paid to develop all this stuff and you guys are the ones who should be deciding how Rhino keeps moving on. I would even go as far as to say that you listen (read) people a little too much.
It’s almost like they don’t know what they are talking about, such amateurs! Right?!
Like as if every change brings a positive outcome oh sweet summer child…
See this is why we can’t have nice things for very long because of smooth mashed potato brains thoughts like this because everything needs to be happy positive THERE CANT BE NO CRITICISM IF CHANGE IS INVOLVED JUST SMILE AND BEND OVER…..
I don’t apologize and i mean everything i typed here.
Edit: this is the exact mentality is why we have things like windows 11 and I double down on not apologizing for this.
its a funny read if you dig deep enough on here there is pitchforks everywhere im thinking about doing one with an attached 50 caliber barret sniper rifle.
I pray for Rhino 9 to be the “windows 10” version we all need
Of course not, but being patient and having trust in Bob proved me right. I really like V9 UI and how efficient it can be in optimising for the best UX.
Icon design is a matter of personal preferences. I couldn’t stand Archicad toolbars because with it’s white and blue palette everything looked the same to me.
It is true that change sometimes leads to resistance. However, it should be considered that criticism or differing opinions are not necessarily an expression of “idiocy”. Especially with software that is used by thousands of people, different perspectives are important for making sustainable and well-considered decisions. This is particularly true when the developer team itself opens up such a discourse forum. It can be helpful to look at the arguments objectively and search for solutions together, rather than making immediate judgments.
This discussion is mainly about the new colors of the icons. And you are saying that the colors of icons are not “forever”, do you mean that they are not important? The old colors or the new ones?
In this discussion, highly experienced architects, designers, NURBS modelers, and teachers have expressed their concerns. Even people who perceive colors differently have pointed out how problematic the new colors and contrasts are.
It’s great that the Rhino user interface can be customized and everyone has their own preferences. However a good user interface also depends on the default settings working well for most users, so that not everyone has to constantly change everything.
”The vast majority -silent, as usual-” are not yet aware of these changes, because the vast majority likely do not use the WIP version.
Using different colors for different workflows may be a valid approach, but that doesn’t mean this WIP proposal is already the best solution.
Oh no, I didn’t say “different opinions are idiotic”. That’s a complete distort of what I said. I invite you to read again. I said CERTAIN people are trying their hardest for things to go their way. Not everyone, just certain people. That is idiotic. You shouldn’t distort poeple’s writings.
Also, I too am highly experienced architect+designer. 45yo, 22+ years work exp. I don’t know why someone would imply I am not, just because of a single post on a software forum! and I also don’t think my credentials (nor anyone else’s) have anything to do with addressing the dev team that they are doing a great job and that I LOVE the Rhino9 look. If you didn’t look properly, I did address the dev team.
On a side note, people in this thread are kinda emotional I see… I’ve read someone going as far as to say that using Rhino interface was akin as playing the piano !!! My god.. didn’t know that after all my years in university, after all my training, after all the work experience I have, I also needed piano lessons to click on icons on a toolbar!
The latest WIP includes the following fixes:
Icons: Toolbar: More contrast to the dark mode icons (RH-91016)
Toolbar: Side bar for standard tab incongruent for SubD (RH-84064)
Icons: Plane button on sidebar uses 2 points instead of 4 points (RH-92182)
@marika_almgren , great job on the latest changes, especially the basic plane now being a primary icon!
Have you considered adding ! _Plane _Vertical as a RMB command of the same icon? It’s quite useful for architectural projects.
I deleted the first “Cancel” button on “Mesh Creation” container and it deleted it also on the sidebar.
This is different from “Surface Creation” and “Solid Creation” containers.
This is not a bug or problematic in any way, I’m just pointing it out… thanks to the new dedicated buttons for meshes and SubDs i’ll never use tabs anymore.
This is a good point. In fact all the icons that are not Mesh or SubD specific should not be linked in these toolbars RH-92379 Mesh and SubD linked toolbars
When I apply automatic contrast in image editing software, the previous Rhino8 icon does not change. The Rhino9 WIP icon, on the other hand, is improved by increasing the contrast:
I’m more worried about the lime green and a few other experimental colours that my colour-blind eyes see in a much different (wad) way than what normal people see. Hence the request to at least offer an alternative “Classic blue” option for those who prefer the classic Rhino icons.
Modifying those one by one by the user is a huge task, not to mention that the SVG files require a special 3rd party software to be modified properly. When I tried, the integrated icon paint tools in Rhino 8 were not doing the job, because there was no way to swap the colours of the actual SVG image. Not sure how those will be improved in Rhino 9 when it ships on the market…
Rhino’s export and import of SVG files also does not do the job. The SVG file type used by the new SVG icons in Rhino is not fully supported by the latter for some reason.
Like as if every change brings a positive outcome oh sweet summer child…
Thanks!
