# Rhino very slow on M1 Mac

**URL:** <https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432>\
**Category:** Rhino for Mac\
**Tags:** mac\
**Created:** [August 30, 2021, 7:15am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432 "2021-08-30T07:15:48Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![camillelcs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/camillelcs/32/324267_2.png) [@camillelcs](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/camillelcs)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 7:15am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/1 "2021-08-30T07:15:48Z")

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Hey, I bought the M1 MacBook Pro with 16gb of ram thinking it would be powerful enough for rhino as there is some people doing heavy video editing with it. Unfortunately when opening big files rhino becomes unusably slow, and sometimes even crash. It happens when there is 3D most of the time.  
Is there an M1 version coming in the next months? I tried downloading rhino 8 but I can’t make it work as I’ve got a student licence. I’m concerned that I won’t be able to work with rhino when I go back to classes in a few weeks…

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**Author:** ![wim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/wim/32/747482_2.png) [@wim](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/wim)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 7:40am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/2 "2021-08-30T07:40:33Z")

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Hi -

> [@camillelcs](#):
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> Unfortunately when opening big files rhino becomes unusably slow, and sometimes even crash.

I can’t find any crash reports connected to your Rhino Account. Are you sending in crash reports?  
Can you upload a file that is slow on your system to [Rhino - Upload to Support](https://www.rhino3d.com/upload) - please add the link to this thread in the “Comments” field.  
Also, please run the Rhino `SystemInfo` command and copy-paste the result here.

> [@camillelcs](#):
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> Is there an M1 version coming in the next months?

There isn’t going to be a special M1 version of Rhino any time soon.

> [@camillelcs](#):
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> I tried downloading rhino 8 but I can’t make it work as I’ve got a student licence.

An educational license will let you run the Rhino 8 WIP - an evaluation version will not.  
-wim

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**Author:** ![camillelcs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/camillelcs/32/324267_2.png) [@camillelcs](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/camillelcs)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 8:11am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/3 "2021-08-30T08:11:59Z")

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Thanks for your answers, I will try sending crash reports in the next few days. Gonna try again with Rhino 8 too.

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**Author:** ![herman.yael](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/herman.yael/32/374565_2.png) [@herman.yael](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/herman.yael)\
**Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/4 "2021-09-07T14:00:45Z")

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Hi, got the same problem, Rhino7 is running very slow on Mac (24inch) M1 and sometimes even crash.  
Hope you"ll fix it soon.

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**Author:** ![wim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/wim/32/747482_2.png) [@wim](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/wim)\
**Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/5 "2021-09-07T16:43:26Z")

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Hi Herman -

> [@herman.yael](#):
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> Hope you"ll fix it soon.

We can only do that if we can reproduce what is happening. Are you experiencing this with a specific model? Are you sending in crash reports? We’ll need as much details as possible…  
-wim

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**Author:** ![user424](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/user424/32/336813_2.png) [@user424](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/user424)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/6 "2021-10-29T17:42:17Z")

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I have the same problem. When opening larger files, rhino crashes every time … I am using a MacBook Pro with 16 GB of RAM and a full M1Pro CPU. I checked the usage of the RAM and CPU during the crash, but that doesn’t seem to be the problem … I work with Rhino at the university and I am not able to work with it right now … when will Rhino be optimized for arm??? please for quick help!

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**Author:** ![John\_Brock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/john_brock/32/476283_2.png) [@John\_Brock](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/John_Brock)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 6:17pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/7 "2021-10-29T18:17:23Z")

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This post is pinned:

> [@Apple Silicon and Rhino for Mac](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/apple-silicon-and-rhino-for-mac-great-news/113164):
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> Current Status: April 26th, 2021: Rhino 7 for Mac is supported on macOS Big Sur 11.3 on Apple Silicon Macs with M1 processors\*. [Please update](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201541) to macOS Big Sur 11.3 (or later). \*running in Rosetta2. This is not yet a fully native version (see below for the distinction). Rosetta Translation: Apple’s Rosetta Translation Environment attempts to automatically translate Intel applications to run on Apple Silicon. If this works, it is the easier path toward support for Apple Silicon for Rhino.…

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**Author:** ![stevebaer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/stevebaer/32/473567_2.png) [@stevebaer](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/stevebaer)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/8 "2021-10-29T18:42:40Z")

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Could you share a file that is constantly crashing Rhino with us so we can try and repeat it here?

Since it is probably a very large file, you could send it using our file transfer service at  
[https://www.rhino3d.com/upload](https://www.rhino3d.com/upload)

Please include this URL in the comments:

> [@Rhino very slow on M1 Mac](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/8):
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> Could you share a file that is constantly crashing Rhino with us so we can try and repeat it here? Since it is probably a very large file, you could send it using our file transfer service at [https://www.rhino3d.com/upload](https://www.rhino3d.com/upload) Please include this URL in the comments: [https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/8](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/8) Thanks

Thanks

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**Author:** ![marco.curato](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/marco.curato/32/440198_2.png) [@marco.curato](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/marco.curato)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2021, 7:38pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/9 "2021-11-07T19:38:47Z")

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I want to contribute too and therefore I’ll upload my file as well.  
Experiencing slow performances in 3d view both in panning and orbiting. Tried with V7 and V8wip.  
Another very annoying issue is that the autosave is too much invasive: every few commands or view changes I notice MacOS beachball while Rhino wait the file saving ends.  
File (220 MB) was originally developed on RH6 on iMac (mid 2010) on MacOS High Sierra

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**Author:** ![marco.curato](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/marco.curato/32/440198_2.png) [@marco.curato](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/marco.curato)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 8:45am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/10 "2021-11-08T08:45:55Z")

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I’d like to provide some feedback about some new discover:  
my file has 10 snapshots (it’s an architectural project with 3 horizontal plan sections, 2 vertical sections and global views) that help me in handling what I need to view (layers, views…).

I’ve tried deleting 4 snapshots and filesize decreased to 159MB. What I noticed accordingly is that autosave time became less impacting. So I’m at present pointing my finger to SNAPSHOTS for repetitive beachball on MacOS. (tests done on iMac (mid 2010).

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**Author:** ![venamly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/venamly/32/354092_2.png) [@venamly](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/venamly)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2022, 4:00pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/11 "2022-01-23T16:00:58Z")

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Hello,  
I have a problem that my new MacBook Pro, M1pro, 32GB. Started to work very, very slowly when opening a more complicated file in my Rhino7 (file has 133MB). Strange thing is that I opened the same file a week ago and it was working fine. When I open the same file on my old MacBook pro 2013, it works way better. Please let me know if you have any idea what could be wrong. This drives me crazy.

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**Author:** ![wim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/wim/32/747482_2.png) [@wim](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/wim)\
**Post date:** [January 24, 2022, 8:51am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/12 "2022-01-24T08:51:26Z")

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Hi -  
Would it be possible to share that file? If you’d rather not post it here, you could upload it to [Rhino - Upload to Support](https://www.rhino3d.com/upload). Make sure to copy the URL to this thread in the comments field if you chose to use that web page.  
-wim

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**Author:** ![venamly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/venamly/32/354092_2.png) [@venamly](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/venamly)\
**Post date:** [January 24, 2022, 1:15pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/13 "2022-01-24T13:15:52Z")

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Hi,  
I uploaded the file (train2) via link you sent me but I did not see any option to copy the URL…so I am sending the file via wetransfer here:

Download link

> **[train2.3dm.zip](https://wetransfer.com/downloads/10a0e2c2538165dca6e724104c6359e920220124131242/90c2c2)**
>
> 1 file sent via WeTransfer, the simplest way to send your files around the world

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**Author:** ![nathanletwory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/nathanletwory/32/482880_2.png) [@nathanletwory](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/nathanletwory)\
**Post date:** [January 24, 2022, 2:14pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/14 "2022-01-24T14:14:28Z")

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@venamly you don’t have to share it via wetransfer. Tech support gets automatically notified when a file is uploaded using the uploader utility. The request was to copy the link to this very discussion to the comment field of upload form so that tech support knows why the file was uploaded.

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**Author:** ![venamly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/venamly/32/354092_2.png) [@venamly](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/venamly)\
**Post date:** [January 25, 2022, 3:07pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/15 "2022-01-25T15:07:06Z")

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ok, I will upload the file again… I checked with my friend who has the macbook with M1 and it works as well super slow when working opening my file. Is it possible that the Rosetta Rhino translation is so bad and slow? If so I just bought useless expensive computer…

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**Author:** ![benjamin\_beck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@benjamin\_beck](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/benjamin_beck)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 11:57am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/16 "2022-01-27T11:57:36Z")

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Hi there I am experiencing the same problem. I am working on a M1 16"21 64 GB macOS Monterey and rhino runs slower than on my Mac Book Pro from 2014. Is there anything planned to improve this performance issue?

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**Author:** ![Giulio1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/giulio1/32/355043_2.png) [@Giulio1](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Giulio1)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 4:21pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/17 "2022-01-27T16:21:53Z")

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Same issue here, M1 64GB so slow…much slower than my 2015 Macbook pro with the same projects. I’m working with files around 400MB to 700MB and it’s impossible to operate them. This is so painful…

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**Author:** ![rudolf.neumerkel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/rudolf.neumerkel/32/771158_2.png) [@rudolf.neumerkel](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/rudolf.neumerkel)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 4:47pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/18 "2022-01-27T16:47:39Z")

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@venamly, @benjamin_beck, @Giulio1

did you try Rhino 8 WIP and run the command `TestMetal`?  
I don’t own an M1 Mac, but did a very quick tests with a friends M1. Turning on `TestMetal` in shaded display mode, resulted in a near 10x increase of the frame-rate.

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**Author:** ![benjamin\_beck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@benjamin\_beck](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/benjamin_beck)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 5:02pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/19 "2022-01-27T17:02:50Z")

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@rudolf.neumerkel thanks a lot!! indeed this works way better but feels still pretty weak regarding the performance the M1 should bring…

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**Author:** ![nathanletwory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/nathanletwory/32/482880_2.png) [@nathanletwory](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/nathanletwory)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-very-slow-on-m1-mac/129432/20 "2022-01-27T17:27:26Z")

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The Metal backend is still work in progress.

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