I like what you did there Dimetro, and what you say about those “changing buttons depending on which tab is opened”, exactly whats bothering me. Each “tab” has different “sidebar”, and when I memorize tool location in the sidebar, and move to different “tab”, I get lost for a second as I can’t find the tool where it was a minute ago. That’s only one of the confusions I have with toolbars in Rhino!
Thariquedesilva I think the same way as you do, how you described you go about working on your model. The issue I have is I don’t know all the commands, and what Rhino is capable of. And when I’m drawing a sketch, I would like to have all the ways to drive lines / curves in a categorized toolbar or menu, so I can have an overview of all the ways for me to draw lines / curves while sketching. When I would like to create surface from that sketch, again I would like to move to a different tab or part of the screen, where I could see all the commands that can create surface. If I decide to edit something then I would love to have another tab that has all editing commands.
Neat thing about Rhino is that it already has that simplicity built in. For example, Rebuild command is the same for lines, curves, surfaces, closed surfaces. Same command applies to all those object types. But in toolbars we have “Curve tools” toolbar with “Rebuild curve” tool, and in “Surface tools” we have “Rebuild surface” tool. Both icons have different names and icons, but they call the same command, “_Rebuild”! FFS!!!
Or look at the “New in V6” toolbar, there is a new tool called “Select Pictures” listed there. By default, you have “Select” toolbar and “Select Pictures” tool is not listed there. In Menus too, Edit -> Select Objects does not have “Select Pictures” tool. It should be under both toolbar and menu.
And try to understand me now, I don’t know all the tools Rhino has as I just started learning Rhino. And since toolbars are confusing as I explained above, it can easily happen to me that I will never see and learn some tools exist. Sometimes tool is only accessible through toolbar, sometimes through a menu, sometimes through a toolbar that has nothing to do about the tool that is listed there. For example now I’m playing around with modeling a TV stand, and I don’t know if there are tools like Push and Pull like in Sketchup, can’t find them under Solids toolbar / menu, guess they don’t exist in Rhino, but I don’t trust toolbars and menu anymore, maybe they are hidden somewhere!
Imagine a text editor that has Bold, Italic and Underline tools. Now Bold is accessible only through menu, and Italic is accessible only through an icon in the toolbar. And Underline, its not listed nowhere, as everyone knows that they just need to type _underline in console. But what if you have a user that sees text editor for the first time in his life and does not know that you can underline a text? And then you have “Bold Capital” and “Bold Lowercase” tools that are just Bold tools but have different names and icons. That’s how Rhino toolbars look to me at the moment. Just look at how many reddit posts are there where people ask how to do something, then Rhino veteran helps the guy and names a tool he can use do do whatever he wanted, and then the guy replies something like “Oh wow, Rhino is so powerful, I’m using it for XX years / months, didn’t knew this tool / command existed”. Yeah, that’s not cause its powerful, its cause its toolbars are a jungle.
I’m not writing this to bash Rhino, as I love it, I really do!!! Its an amazing CAD software. Its lightweight, simple and powerful, just how I like it. Only those toolbars are too big of a mess at the moment. You can use my experiences to improve Rhino, as everyone new to Rhino will feel the same as I feel, you can use my input to make Rhino better. This is my 2nd encounter with Rhino, I uninstalled it first time as it looked too messy, confusing and complicated. I opened all the available toolbars to see the tools and ended up with this:
Except for messy toolbars, UI / UX are amazing in Rhino. Options are well organized, Menus are also well organized and categorized, except some tools are not listed there. And even the toolbar system is amazing, it enables us to customize toolbars and even Menu’s and create our own workspace. But for someone new coming into Rhino its not a big help since we don’t know what tools exist in Rhino. For someone with 10 years of experience with Rhino its amazing, but for me, not so much. I mean If I can’t find tool in toolbar, what should I do? Go through source code to discover what commands exist?
Anyways that is just my opinion, not trying to bash Rhino or offend anyone. But I think Rhino toolbars should be reorganized. The underlying system is in fact powerful. I don’t even have anything against the way it looks. New theme or new visual design would be great, but its not a deal breaker for me really. Just that I can’t get a grasp of what Rhino can do, and see all tools categorized neatly.
Thanks everyone! Hope Rhino gets redesigned UI, as Rhino deserves it!