Rhino BETA Feature: Markup

[mkarimi (Morteza Karimi)]

Rhino BETA has a Markup feature based on the Markup feature in iRhino3D.

What is a Markup in Rhino?

The Markup mode is a way to store view dependent feedback in your 3D model. You can draw, callout and annotate directly on the view using the tools provided. It can be restored, edited and exported as an image file (ex: JPG).
As a convenience each markup stores a screenshot of the view at the time of creation so future changes can be tracked.

Why did we add Markups?

Markups are an easy way to communicate changes with your design team or client. It is intended as a tool for marking adjustments to the design to communicate between the different parties involved.

Previously, you would need to do a screen capture and then open an image editor of your choice to add annotations. You no longer need an external application to create screenshots and add notes. They are also associated with the views of your 3D model!

Heads Up Display (HUD)

To keep focus in the viewport and the commands panel, most of the command options are accessible via the HUD. This is a new type of UI we’re trying out in the Rhino BETA for some commands. Feedback in this area is also appreciated.

Markup Tools (HUD):

The Markup tools available via the HUD are:

How to use Markups

Making A Markup

• When starting a Markup, you’re prompted to select a view.
• As soon as you click inside a view, the view is locked:
  • Orbiting is disabled.
  • Panning and zooming are disabled in perspective views but enabled in orthographic views
  • The HUD tools appear in the selected view.
• Select a tool from the HUD panel and start drawing or annotating.
• When finished drawing, press the the green check mark on the bottom-right corner of the view, to create the markup. The Markups Panel is opened.

Restoring A Markup

• Double-click a markup from the Markups panel to restore markup.
• View locks in a similar fashion to when you’re making a markup:
  • Orbiting is disabled.
  • Panning and zooming are disabled in perspective views but enabled in orthographic views
• Exit the markup viewing mode by clicking the red X mark on the bottom-right corner of the screen.

Editing A Markup

Once a markup is restored, select the hand icon in the bottom-right corner of the view.

At this point, you can:

• Continue drawing using any markup tool.
• You can select existing shapes or annotations:
  • Select the shape / annotation.
  • Adjust its color or width.
  • Adjust its shape or location.
• Use any creation tool in Rhino.
• Make sure to validate the edits by selecting the green check mark again.

Exporting A Markup

A markup can be exported as:

• A single image
• Multiple images
• A multi-page PDF, with a metadata footer on each page

Importing A Markup

Use ImportMarkup to bring a markup saved in another 3dm file into your current document.

Cross-Platform Compatibility

Markups are compatible between Rhino for Windows/Mac and iRhino3D for iPad/iPhone — create or edit a markup on one platform and open it on the other.

What Markup Doesn’t Do (Yet)

A few things people have asked about that aren’t part of Markup today:

• No live, multi-user/collaborative markup session
• No vector/SVG export layer (export is raster image or PDF)
• No task-status or assignee metadata fields

If any of these matter to your workflow, let us know below.

This is an early prototype of this feature and can change a lot during the development process based on the feedback I get here.

Download the Rhino BETA…

[Akash]

This is very nice
the HUD is very comfortable to use.
a couple of early comments:

1. It will be faster i feel if color selection [Vis the HUD] will not require an Enter to accept
   [using a Wacom pen here,] it will be much faster to change colors that way.
2. the tapered lines get a broken fill on tight[ish] curvature.
   [is there a way to improve that via settings ?]
3. Any chance of adding brush pressure? [tapered lines are ok for a mouse. But with a pen, pressure sensitivity is, as you know, much more versatile and useful]
   
   

thanks a lot

[mkarimi (Morteza Karimi)]

@Akash

It will be faster i feel if color selection [Vis the HUD] will not require an Enter to accept
[using a Wacom pen here,] it will be much faster to change colors that way.

Do you mean that the color dialog should just go away as soon as you select a color?

@Akash

the tapered lines get a broken fill on tight[ish] curvature.
[is there a way to improve that via settings ?]

This is logged: RH-82788 Thick polyline broken

@Akash

Any chance of adding brush pressure? [tapered lines are ok for a mouse. But with a pen, pressure sensitivity is, as you know, much more versatile and useful]

That’s definitely on the radar but it’ll probably be a future improvement. I logged it: RH-87633 Pressure sensitivity for markups

[Akash]

@mkarimi

Do you mean that the color dialog should just go away as soon as you select a color?

if possible yes.
Since this is only for Markups, one likely just want to quickly scribble stuff and quickly change colours… and a precise shade is perhaps not that important .

• I means : if you change colour from the HUD only. There is also the option to pick colour from the command, [regular rhino paradigm ] and this can stay as the regular colour palate behaviour.

[mkarimi (Morteza Karimi)]

@mkarimi

color dialog should just go away as soon as you select a color

@curtisw do you know if this is possible?

[curtisw (Curtis Wensley)]

@mkarimi

@mkarimi

color dialog should just go away as soon as you select a color

@curtisw do you know if this is possible?

Yeah, double clicking on a color should close the dialog. There’s no option to make it auto close otherwise. Not sure if it should ever auto close if you are clicking a color wheel or slider as one would usually use multiple to select a color.

[mkarimi (Morteza Karimi)]

@curtisw

double clicking on a color should close the dialog

@Akash does this satisfy your request?

[Akash]

Yes thanks, this is good. i wasn’t aware of the double klick [or forgot]

Q: does it makes sense to you that when one choose the have the HUD on. we get double of some option on screen… in the command options and in the HUD…

wouldn’t it be better to have the command options minimized to only it’s unique options when the HUD option is selected ?

[altamiro.aj]

Please, make this annotation friendly and Step 242 friendly and layout detail friendly so we can finally have 3D PMI constructions in Rhino.

1. Make it possible to create markups not only with pen but also with current Drafting tools
2. Make it Step 242 friendly
3. Make it possible to, when adding a Detail select a Markup as a camera.
4. Make it so blocks can be inserted into the markup (so we can add technical drawing page borders to the view of the markup when exporting as PMI Step 242.

[mkarimi (Morteza Karimi)]

@Akash

wouldn’t it be better to have the command options minimized to only it’s unique options when the HUD option is selected ?

Maybe, seems like a refinement. I’ll wait to see if others have strong feelings about it. logged here: RH-87667 Hide command options when using HUD

[mkarimi (Morteza Karimi)]

@altamiro.aj

Make it possible to create markups not only with pen but also with current Drafting tools

What tools do you need that are missing. I assume dimensions. What else?
If using dimensions, do you want it to report the measured length or want to override the text value?

@altamiro.aj

Make it Step 242 friendly

Can you elaborate what you mean by Step 242 friendly? Does Step have a convention for markups?

@altamiro.aj

Make it possible to, when adding a Detail select a Markup as a camera.

Interesting idea, should be possible, I’m curious about the workflow you have in mind?

@altamiro.aj

Make it so blocks can be inserted into the markup

Are these block always 2D?

[altamiro.aj]

@mkarimi

What tools do you need that are missing. I assume dimensions. What else?
If using dimensions, do you want it to report the measured length or want to override the text value?

Basically all tools used for drafting, dimensions, hatches, leaders, line types, clipping planes and visibility state. Maybe this could be an excuse to have an official exploded view too?

@mkarimi

Can you elaborate what you mean by Step 242 friendly? Does Step have a convention for markups?

I said this based on an old statement from Chuck on a old thread

Export to STEP AP 242

@MattE STEP Import isn’t really dependent on the protocol. We look in the files for entities we support and read them. There is no difference here in 242 over 214. I did add import of point clouds to V8 but I no idea if it works, since I’ve not been able to find a STEP file that has one. I added the ability to export to 242 last year as well. The result should be a valid AP242 file, but will only be cosmetically different from a 214 file. You should have AP242 at the bottom of the dropdown …

@chuck

I hope that we will be adding for complete support, but much of 242 that we don’t yet support will require creating new types of Rhino objects. This will be a major undertaking requiring several developers.

@mkarimi

Interesting idea, should be possible, I’m curious about the workflow you have in mind?

On the short term, being able to work on preparing 2d technical drawings for assemblies and stuff more easily.
On the long term, allow to have Rhino export PMI data to some free viewer for the operational workers to use it similar to what we use JT2Go and Navisworks Freedom today on the shipyard. (I wish I had an iPad or iPhone to be able to test iRhino).

this short video of JT2Go show what the final long term objective would be. But on the short side.

Using PMI with JT2Go

This one a bit longer show the process of preparation of the PMI

NX 1926: Introduction to PMI

If we had a Rhino viewer only version that didn’t require any sort of license to install on windows would be cool too. Because most of the workers on our shipyard have Windows Tablets but our IT department won’t allow installing trial versions for them because they think we would be abusing the Trial of Rhino and are afraid of McNeel taking legal actions. But this would be another thread subject.

@mkarimi

Are these block always 2D?

Yes, see image below as example of what I meant, basically being able to have legend and BOMs list and this kind of stuff on some views. It would be almost if the block was an overlay on top of the view.

In summary, it would be almost as if the layout space and model space became one thing and being able to export it as step 242 for clients to use their own tools.

[brvdln (Brv)]

@altamiro.aj for the exploded view you can use Rhinogadget

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[mkarimi (Morteza Karimi)]

@altamiro.aj

Basically all tools used for drafting, dimensions, hatches, leaders, line types, clipping planes and visibility state. Maybe this could be an excuse to have an official exploded view too?

Have you tried snapshots? I looked at the video you posted and seems like full control of every aspect of the model is what you need. Snapshots gives you that.

[theoutside (Kyle Houchens)]

scalepositions is the “exploded view” command

[altamiro.aj]

@brvdln

for the exploded view you can use Rhinogadget

@theoutside

scalepositions is the “exploded view” command

These two solutions have one fundamental flaw. It changes the model position, so this is not an exploded view, this is an exploded model.
So if I use this to create drafting, I have to rely on “static drawings” a.k.a. Make2D.

Unless the detail window could select different model positions for each detail, that make this unusable in my workflow.

@mkarimi

Have you tried snapshots? I looked at the video you posted and seems like full control of every aspect of the model is what you need. Snapshots gives you that.

Yes I did try snapshots, but the file becomes too heavy to quickly to the point that I have a few files I can’t even use anymore because trying to activate one snapshot different from the one that the file was saved with just crashes Rhino.

Snapshots are also bad for this solution because everything you create after saving an snapshot needs to be updated manually one by one afterwards, so it doesn’t allow the workflow to flow correctly when you have revisions.

But lets go just one step at the time. Just having the drafting tab tools working with markup would already solve 75% of my problems.
Being able to activate the markup as a camera on the detail view would solve another 20%.

The final 5% with step compatibility for PMI and exporting are not that important and could be replaced by a good lightweight 3dm viewer / read only companion.

[martinsiegrist]

Is it possible to edit a markup?

[mkarimi (Morteza Karimi)]

@altamiro.aj

Yes I did try snapshots, but the file becomes too heavy to quickly to the point that I have a few files I can’t even use anymore because trying to activate one snapshot different from the one that the file was saved with just crashes Rhino.

This is a known limitation with snapshots in files that contain many objects and object state is preserved by the snapshot. RH-49646 Snaphots gives out of memory error

To be clear, markups use snapshots under the hood, but we only preserve layer state, viewport and view. So you won’t have the same performance issues.

@altamiro.aj

Rhino viewer only version that didn’t require any sort of license to install on windows would be cool too. Because most of the workers on our shipyard have Windows Tablets but our IT department won’t allow installing trial versions for them because they think we would be abusing the Trial of Rhino and are afraid of McNeel taking legal actions.

Rhino with expired eval can be used indefinitely as a viewer. It may be the perfect option for you.

[mkarimi (Morteza Karimi)]

@martinsiegrist

Is it possible to edit a markup?

Depends on your definition of “Edit”, there are some things you can already do but I’m looking to spend more effort in that area. Can you elaborate what you need in terms of editing?

[martinsiegrist]

After creating a markup, can I add something to it?