# Rhino 8 UI - Gears can be visually obtrusive

**URL:** <https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-ui-gears-can-be-visually-obtrusive/167485>\
**Category:** Serengeti (Rhino BETA)\
**Tags:** windows, ui\
**Created:** [October 18, 2023, 10:38pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-ui-gears-can-be-visually-obtrusive/167485 "2023-10-18T22:38:42Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 17\
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**Author:** ![tay.othman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/tay.othman/32/766134_2.png) [@tay.othman](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/tay.othman)\
**Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 10:38pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-ui-gears-can-be-visually-obtrusive/167485/1 "2023-10-18T22:38:42Z")

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Hello All,

I’m enjoying a scaled / larger tab icons in the new UI, my only complaint is the Gear Buttons for the menus scales with it and becomes visually unwelcome see the below:

 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/uploads/default/original/4X/f/a/a/faa3db8497c375a0f9ec393f8fb64df1a85120ef.png)

I have 2 suggestions:

1- Always keep the gears icon as small as possible without being scaled like the adjacent tabs and icons.

or

2- use Hamburger menu icon that can be less obtrusive. like the below

 ![UI menu](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/uploads/default/original/4X/d/4/f/d4ff147b140fcef3beef371aeaec98cc34b436e6.jpeg)

vs

 ![UI_Old](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/uploads/default/original/4X/d/9/b/d9bc80e5158c9eb5e1ea95b29ed881d2630a3481.jpeg)

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**Author:** ![john19](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/john19/32/687617_2.png) [@john19](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/john19)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 11:07am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-ui-gears-can-be-visually-obtrusive/167485/2 "2023-10-24T11:07:03Z")

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Totally agree. Maybe they should be hidden completely when locked.

Maybe hidden along with the extraneous three dots as @AndersDeleuran has raised ([Regression: Hide Container Grip Dots When Docked](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/regression-hide-container-grip-dots-when-docked/165560)) that would be a huge visual improvement and less wasted space.

Unlock from right click anywhere on the panel or globally in preferences to edit as needed.

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**Author:** ![tay.othman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/tay.othman/32/766134_2.png) [@tay.othman](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/tay.othman)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 7:12pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-ui-gears-can-be-visually-obtrusive/167485/3 "2023-10-24T19:12:48Z")

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yes please, less visual clutter

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**Author:** ![eobet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/eobet/32/769335_2.png) [@eobet](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/eobet)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 2:12pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-ui-gears-can-be-visually-obtrusive/167485/4 "2023-10-26T14:12:17Z")

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It’s my top noted bug here:

> [@RUI files and UI setup issues](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rui-files-and-ui-setup-issues/161379/3):
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> I think the first bug is the worst though, because it affects every day use and not just the setup: [bild] No reason for it to look busy and messy like that when in V7 locked it looks like this: [bild] Also, did the WIP just eat my V7 RUI file??? (Or was that [iCloud again](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhinotoolbars-icloud-drive/123595)…) [bild] Finally, I can’t find the thread now, but I was promised that when a toolbar overflowed into a popup menu, it would behave better in V8 than in V7 but it seems the opposite is true: [bild] Those “Macro…

Perhaps someone could merge these threads?

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**Author:** ![tay.othman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/tay.othman/32/766134_2.png) [@tay.othman](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/tay.othman)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 4:00pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-ui-gears-can-be-visually-obtrusive/167485/5 "2023-10-26T16:00:44Z")

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Although UIs fragmentation issue is real , I believe the developers can polish it to make it streamlined and proper. I think your point on visual clutter on the toolbars is spot on . Specifically since most users are going to see V8 for the first time and they will be disappointed with the new UI setup.  
Also I trust the developers that they are going to fix it in early service release . I started using it for My work (the less urgent one) and decided to upgrade on day one.

But…

As the developers are challenged in getting this release ASAP. I find myself challenged in getting our firm to upgrade their licenses. And in this case the UI is not helping me to convince them.

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**Author:** ![Gijs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/gijs/32/769882_2.png) [@Gijs](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Gijs)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 4:20pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-ui-gears-can-be-visually-obtrusive/167485/6 "2023-10-26T16:20:45Z")

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@tay.othman I logged [RH-77931](https://mcneel.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/RH-77931) Gears should stay the same size when changing the size of the container tabs icons

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**Author:** ![stevebaer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/stevebaer/32/473567_2.png) [@stevebaer](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/stevebaer)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 12:26am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-ui-gears-can-be-visually-obtrusive/167485/7 "2023-10-27T00:26:28Z")

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> [@tay.othman](#):
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> As the developers are challenged in getting this release ASAP. I find myself challenged in getting our firm to upgrade their licenses. And in this case the UI is not helping me to convince them.

Then hold off in trying to convince them. We typically “soft release” Rhino and don’t make any big splash as far as promoting the product until after at least one service release. Many issues get addressed in the first few service releases of Rhino.

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**Author:** ![davidcockey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/davidcockey/32/771921_2.png) [@davidcockey](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/davidcockey)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 8:50am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-ui-gears-can-be-visually-obtrusive/167485/8 "2023-10-27T08:50:52Z")

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> [@stevebaer](#):
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> We typically “soft release” Rhino and don’t make any big splash as far as promoting the product until after at least one service release. Many issues get addressed in the first few service releases of Rhino.

That sounds like how the Beta process might work.

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**Author:** ![john19](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/john19/32/687617_2.png) [@john19](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/john19)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 9:58am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-ui-gears-can-be-visually-obtrusive/167485/9 "2023-10-27T09:58:04Z")

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Right click with in a toolbar calls the properties up for the toolbar.  
The gear icon is obtrusive and redundant.  
I say this again as I am not sure why is not just removed rather than working on changing its size.

Having said that you cant right click on some toolbars - for example Osnap or Selection filter. Then no properties are called. You should expect the same behaviour in a tool bar tab irrespective of what toolbar it is. Whatever choices are made it should be consistent.

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**Author:** ![Eugen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/eugen/32/656992_2.png) [@Eugen](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Eugen)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 11:20am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-ui-gears-can-be-visually-obtrusive/167485/10 "2023-10-27T11:20:34Z")

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> [@john19](#):
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> Right click with in a toolbar calls the properties up for the toolbar.  
> The gear icon is obtrusive and redundant.

That’s a good approach. Agreed.

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**Author:** ![tay.othman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/tay.othman/32/766134_2.png) [@tay.othman](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/tay.othman)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 3:59pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-ui-gears-can-be-visually-obtrusive/167485/11 "2024-04-22T15:59:02Z")

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Any update on this? I am developing mental health issues from staring at this gear object.

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**Author:** ![stevebaer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/stevebaer/32/473567_2.png) [@stevebaer](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/stevebaer)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 6:00pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-ui-gears-can-be-visually-obtrusive/167485/12 "2024-04-22T18:00:33Z")

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No updates yet. This is still on my list of fixes to make for Rhino 8

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**Author:** ![tay.othman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/tay.othman/32/766134_2.png) [@tay.othman](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/tay.othman)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 6:20pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-ui-gears-can-be-visually-obtrusive/167485/13 "2024-04-22T18:20:07Z")

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Thank you, Steve, for everything, I will keep my eye on the YT , hopefully to see the “Next Up” soon.

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**Author:** ![stevebaer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/stevebaer/32/473567_2.png) [@stevebaer](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/stevebaer)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 6:30pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-ui-gears-can-be-visually-obtrusive/167485/14 "2024-04-22T18:30:16Z")

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I hope to get this to Next Up soon as well. Just some other bigger to fires need to be put out first

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**Author:** ![tay.othman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/tay.othman/32/766134_2.png) [@tay.othman](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/tay.othman)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2024, 7:30am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-ui-gears-can-be-visually-obtrusive/167485/15 "2024-05-03T07:30:06Z")

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Hello @stevebaer

I am rushing to report that your work yesterday was very appreciated, I tested (on windows) today’s dujour and the toolbars look beautiful. Thank you, sir, I can work normally now!

 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/uploads/default/original/4X/d/6/3/d63cba135e9ef008c77c7fe7b3053c71a44758f1.jpeg)

 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/uploads/default/original/4X/a/0/5/a05ec30209c38b7af2aadd2d993ce87f782bd7f2.png)

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**Author:** ![eobet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/eobet/32/769335_2.png) [@eobet](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/eobet)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2024, 7:46am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-ui-gears-can-be-visually-obtrusive/167485/16 "2024-05-03T07:46:15Z")

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But are they still needlessly visible when the “lock docked containers” setting is on?

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**Author:** ![tay.othman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/tay.othman/32/766134_2.png) [@tay.othman](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/tay.othman)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2024, 11:20pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-ui-gears-can-be-visually-obtrusive/167485/17 "2024-05-03T23:20:20Z")

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I agree we are 95% resolved, we can just eliminate it and call it 100% done.  
but man, overall the UI is so much more comfortable to look at now.