Rhino 8 - Decal crash

Rendering
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It is getting rather demoralising when you are mid workflow. I do try and save reasonably frequently, but sometimes I am just in a naturally good flow of work, and obviously Rhino provides zero help doing automatic saves and such, at random.

I am spending more of my time in the AppData folder hoping there is a backup there, or the .bak files are working, but usually they don’t. Nothing in Recycle bin, as usual.

I have no idea why, but Rhino is also obsessed with “preparing procedurals for first time use”, and it makes absolutely no sense why it does this, even when I make no material changes. What is being used for the first time? Why is it not caching?

The decal system is very slow on my system, and I am at a loss to understand why.

This time, it was a decal operation I was doing. For the first time in forever, Rhino actually offered a Crash Report, which I did send.

Anyway, I have given up for now, given it has set me far back enough, and I have lost the will to live for the moment with these crashes. However, this SR8 seems much less stable than the SR5 and SR6 I was using before.

Also, thanks CrashDump, that’s really helpful…

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Rhino 8 SR8 2024-6-18 (Rhino 8, 8.8.24170.13001, Git hash:master @ c3cc7c123163b65d85b517aff795627d5b12166b)
License type: Commercial, build 2024-06-18
License details: Cloud Zoo

Windows 11 (10.0.22631 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 32GB)
.NET Framework 4.8.9241.0

Computer platform: DESKTOP 

Standard graphics configuration.
  Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 (NVidia) Memory: 24GB, Driver date: 5-7-2024 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 552.44
    > Accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
        - Windows Main Display attached to adapter port #0
        - Secondary monitor attached to adapter port #1

Secondary graphics devices.
  NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER (NVidia) Memory: 12GB, Driver date: 5-7-2024 (M-D-Y).
    > Accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
        - There are no monitors attached to this device!
  Intel(R) UHD Graphics 770 (Intel) Memory: 128MB, Driver date: 1-18-2024 (M-D-Y).
    > Integrated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
        - There are no monitors attached to this device!

OpenGL Settings
  Safe mode: Off
  Use accelerated hardware modes: On
  Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
  Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU's maximum)
  
  Anti-alias mode: 4x
  Mip Map Filtering: Linear
  Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High
  
  Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
  Render version: 4.6
  Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
  Driver Date: 5-7-2024
  Driver Version: 31.0.15.5244
  Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
  Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
  Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
  Total Video Memory: 24564 MB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
  C:\Program Files\Cyberstrak\R8\CS_ModelingPlugIn.rhp	"Cyberstrak Modeling PlugIn"	
  C:\Users\David\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\8.0\NVIDIADenoiser\0.4.3\NVIDIADenoiser.Windows.rhp	"NVIDIADenoiser.Windows"	0.4.3.0
  C:\Users\David\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\8.0\RhinoFileVersion\7.0.8486\RhinoFileVersion.rhp	"Rhino 3DM File Version"	7.0.8486.27751
  C:\Program Files\Doliwa Workshop\Rhino Nature\Rhino Nature.rhp	"Rhino Nature"	1.0.4.16355
  C:\Users\David\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\8.0\Plug-ins\Bella (813de3fb-18eb-405f-bfcd-b0b4d3da91fb)\24.2.0.0\bella_rhino.rhp	"Bella"	24.2.0.0

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
  C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp	"Commands"	8.8.24170.13001
  C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp	"Renderer Development Kit"	
  C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp	"Rhino Render"	8.8.24170.13001
  C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp	"RDK_EtoUI"	8.8.24170.13001
  C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp	"Snapshots"	
  C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp	"MeshCommands"	8.8.24170.13001
  C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp	"RhinoCycles"	8.8.24170.13001
  C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp	"Toolbars"	8.8.24170.13001
  C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp	"3Dconnexion 3D Mouse"	
  C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp	"Displacement"	
  C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp	"SectionTools"
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Hi David, Are you still seeing the issue with these 3rd party plugins disabled? Go to Rhino 8>Settings>Plugins and sort by plugins that do not ship with Rhino & disable. Thanks

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I see the bug report, it happened in RhinoCycles code. FWIW, decal updates in Raytraced don’t work very well, at least when changing the underlying material. This has been a problem already since Rhino 7. A satisfactory solution has yet to be created.

Anyway, the bug for the crash is: RH-82804 Crash in decal code

Thanks for sending in that report, it should help in finding a fix.

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Hi both, and thanks.

I can use the Rendered mode or such if needbe.

Actually, I can repeat my work that took about an hour in probably 10 minutes now I have reflected on my (inefficient) approach. So I can stop having hissy fits. I just wish the crash reporting system was fixed.

Cheers,

David.

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well, you did send in one, and it’ll be hugely helpful! Lets take the small win, savour the moment, then worry about the other crashes that don’t get reported after :wink:

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I have been investigating this for a bit, but unfortunately the callstack does not make sense.

Can you try see if you get a crash with decals after you have disabled all third-party plug-ins?

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Sure! Shall I try this in Raytraced mode again? I’ve been reverting to Rendered, which has been reasonably okay, but still rather laggy I must say.

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In raytraced please. This where the crash happens according the report you sent in before. I just want to make sure it happens also with the third-party plug-ins disabled, ruling out those doing anything naughty.

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Okay, plugins on or off, I cannot yet get this problem to repeat so far.

I’ll keep having a go!