# Rhino 8 Crashing Constantly

**URL:** <https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crashing-constantly/170990>\
**Category:** Rhino for Windows\
**Tags:** windows\
**Created:** [December 8, 2023, 2:47am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crashing-constantly/170990 "2023-12-08T02:47:55Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 13\
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**Author:** ![Courtney3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/courtney3/32/479641_2.png) [@Courtney3](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Courtney3)\
**Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 2:47am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crashing-constantly/170990/1 "2023-12-08T02:47:55Z")

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Help! my trial for rhino 7 expired so I downloaded Rhino 8 and now it is crashing constantly, Rhino 7 was working perfectly what happened??

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**Author:** ![dale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/dale/32/685184_2.png) [@dale](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/dale)\
**Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 2:52am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crashing-constantly/170990/2 "2023-12-08T02:52:40Z")

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Hi @Courtney3,

Can you launch Rhino 8, run the `SystemInfo` command, and post the results?

Thanks,

– Dale

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**Author:** ![Courtney3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/courtney3/32/479641_2.png) [@Courtney3](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Courtney3)\
**Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 3:43am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crashing-constantly/170990/3 "2023-12-08T03:43:38Z")

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Rhino 8 SR1 2023-11-21 (Rhino 8, 8.1.23325.13001, Git hash:master @ 8a4a437248efac5d9cb04d3904481b83e4c23a64)  
License type: Evaluation, build 2023-11-21  
License details: Cloud Zoo  
Expires on: 2024-03-05

Windows 11 (10.0.22621 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 16Gb)  
.NET 7.0.0

Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [100% battery remaining]

Non-hybrid graphics configuration.  
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU (NVidia) Memory: 8GB, Driver date: 5-5-2022 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 512.78  
\> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)  
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port  
Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU (NVidia) Memory: 8GB, Driver date: 5-5-2022 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 512.78  
\> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)  
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port

Secondary graphics devices.  
Intel(R) UHD Graphics (Intel) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 12-12-2022 (M-D-Y).  
\> Integrated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)  
- Secondary monitor is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port

OpenGL Settings  
Safe mode: Off  
Use accelerated hardware modes: On  
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On  
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x  
Mip Map Filtering: Linear  
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation  
Render version: 4.6  
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA  
Driver Date: 5-5-2022  
Driver Version: 30.0.15.1278  
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768  
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits  
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768  
Total Video Memory: 8 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino  
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.1.23325.13001  
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”   
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.1.23325.13001  
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk\_etoui.rhp “RDK\_EtoUI” 8.1.23325.13001  
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”   
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.1.23325.13001  
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.1.23325.13001  
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.1.23325.13001  
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.1.23325.13001  
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”   
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”   
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

Thank you!

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**Author:** ![dale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/dale/32/685184_2.png) [@dale](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/dale)\
**Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 4:13am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crashing-constantly/170990/4 "2023-12-08T04:13:56Z")

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> [@Courtney3](#):
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> Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation  
> Render version: 4.6  
> Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA  
> Driver Date: 5-5-2022  
> Driver Version: 30.0.15.1278  
> Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768  
> Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits  
> Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768  
> Total Video Memory: 8 GB

The Windows driver for this display device is fairly old. Can you update?

– Dale

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**Author:** ![schultzeworks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/schultzeworks/32/488974_2.png) [@schultzeworks](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/schultzeworks)\
**Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 5:57am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crashing-constantly/170990/5 "2023-12-08T05:57:46Z")

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Not to butt in here, but I once read that 80 to 90% of Rhino issues / crashes were due to out-of-date video drivers. Still true, @dale ?

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**Author:** ![stevebaer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/stevebaer/32/473567_2.png) [@stevebaer](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/stevebaer)\
**Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 6:23am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crashing-constantly/170990/6 "2023-12-08T06:23:38Z")

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I doubt it is that high of a %, but it is a good place to start.

If updating the driver doesn’t work…  
@Courtney3 is Rhino crashing when starting with an empty model and just drawing a box, or are you working with a specific file that seems to be crashing? If it is a specific file, would it be possible to share it so we can try to repeat this crash.

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**Author:** ![Courtney3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/courtney3/32/479641_2.png) [@Courtney3](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Courtney3)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 9:08pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crashing-constantly/170990/10 "2023-12-10T21:08:39Z")

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@dale @stevebaer says my drivers are up date and I just did a windows update and it is still crashing, I can share the file  
[front page.3dm](https://discourse.mcneel.com/uploads/short-url/eZLPLCWSgXTgRMB7bQqWOYrxgK1.3dm) (19.2 MB)

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**Author:** ![Japhy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/japhy/32/487647_2.png) [@Japhy](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Japhy)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 9:34pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crashing-constantly/170990/11 "2023-12-10T21:34:46Z")

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Hi Courtney,

I have your file open, what are the steps to reproduce?

SelBadObjects finds 4 bad objects.

Nothing particularly notable in the file via Audit…

Document Manifest:  
Texture Mapping: 0 active, 1 system.  
Material: 40 active, 2 system.  
Line Pattern: 6 active, 3 system.  
Layer: 47 active, 1 system.  
Group: 48 active.  
TextStyle: none.  
Annotation Style: 1 active, 12 system.  
Light: none.  
Hatch Pattern: 9 active, 9 system.  
Block: none.  
Model Geometry: 5480 active.

Total: 5631 model components. 28 system components.

Audit Summary:  
Table tally:  
47 layers  
1 annotation styles  
0 fonts  
6 linetypes  
40 rendering materials  
Object tally:  
5037 normal objects  
0 locked objects  
443 hidden objects  
0 deleted objects (in undo buffer)  
0 block definition objects  
0 reference normal objects  
0 reference locked objects  
0 reference hidden objects  
0 reference block definition objects  
No errors.

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**Author:** ![Courtney3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/courtney3/32/479641_2.png) [@Courtney3](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Courtney3)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crashing-constantly/170990/12 "2023-12-10T22:53:45Z")

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I am not really sure a specific command that makes it crash. It crashes when drawing some lines, or scaling but its pretty inconsistent

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**Author:** ![Helvetosaur](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/helvetosaur/32/635974_2.png) [@Helvetosaur](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Helvetosaur)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 11:03pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crashing-constantly/170990/13 "2023-12-10T23:03:19Z")

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> [@Courtney3](#):
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> Says my drivers are up date

Who says? Windows? Don’t listen to that, your NVidia 3070 driver is a year and a half old. Go directly to the NVidia site to download and install the latest.

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**Author:** ![Japhy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/japhy/32/487647_2.png) [@Japhy](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Japhy)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 11:14pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crashing-constantly/170990/14 "2023-12-10T23:14:56Z")

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Ok, one way to test this would be to open Rhino 8 in Safe mode (type Rhino in windows start dialog)

![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/uploads/default/original/4X/9/9/f/99fceec92564533eddb834c238c7edccfb4e7e2b.png)

A clean install of NVidia drivers is recommended.

[https://help.bethesda.net/#en/answer/57037](https://help.bethesda.net/#en/answer/57037)

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**Author:** ![brian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/brian/32/504171_2.png) [@brian](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/brian)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 8:38pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crashing-constantly/170990/15 "2023-12-12T20:38:22Z")

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@Courtney3 is Rhino still crashing for you? If so, I’d like to schedule some time to try to remote debug on your computer.

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**Author:** ![Stefanos\_Goran\_Karag](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/stefanos_goran_karag/32/760298_2.png) [@Stefanos\_Goran\_Karag](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Stefanos_Goran_Karag)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2026, 11:42pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crashing-constantly/170990/16 "2026-08-29T23:42:20Z")

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why its running in Evaluation when I have Education License (one more question ?)

Rhino 8 SR34 2026-8-11 (Rhino 8, 8.34.26223.11001, Git hash:master @ f416e902495235e4e4a45cfc29ff1320cc8c70d8)  
License type: Evaluation, build 2026-08-11  
License details: Cloud Zoo  
Expires on: 2026-09-27

Windows 10 (10.0.19045 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 32GB)  
.NET 8.0.14

Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [90% battery remaining]

Hybrid graphics configuration.  
Primary display: Intel(R) HD Graphics 530 (Intel) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 7-19-2022 (M-D-Y).

> Integrated graphics device with 3 adapter port(s)

- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port  
Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA Quadro M3000M (NVidia) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 8-21-2025 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 573.71

> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)

- Video pass-through to primary display device

OpenGL Settings  
Safe mode: Off  
Use accelerated hardware modes: On  
GPU Tessellation is: On  
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On  
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x  
Mip Map Filtering: Linear  
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation  
Render version: 4.6  
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA  
Driver Date: 8-21-2025  
Driver Version: 32.0.15.7371  
Maximum Texture size: 16384 x 16384  
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits  
Maximum Viewport size: 16384 x 16384  
Total Video Memory: 4 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino  
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.34.26223.11001  
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”   
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.34.26223.11001  
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk\_etoui.rhp “RDK\_EtoUI” 8.34.26223.11001  
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”   
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.34.26223.11001  
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.34.26223.11001  
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.34.26223.11001  
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”   
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”   
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”