# Rhino 8 crash on Mac after update

**URL:** <https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049>\
**Category:** Rhino for Mac\
**Tags:** windows, mac\
**Created:** [March 10, 2025, 7:49am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049 "2025-03-10T07:49:17Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Applications\_license](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/applications_license/32/657174_2.png) [@Applications\_license](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Applications_license)\
**Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 7:49am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049/1 "2025-03-10T07:49:17Z")

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after upgrading MAC OS to the 15.3.1, rhino keep crashing when i start the application.

 ![image (1)](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/uploads/default/original/4X/b/7/e/b7ef67159a7c05bc102cfbe4548e004a4d047246.png)

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**Author:** ![Gijs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/gijs/32/481553_2.png) [@Gijs](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Gijs)\
**Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 8:03am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049/2 "2025-03-10T08:03:36Z")

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are you submitting the crash report? that would help finding the cause of this issue.  
Also, if you have older builds of Rhino, do they crash as well if you try to run them?

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**Author:** ![Applications\_license](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/applications_license/32/657174_2.png) [@Applications\_license](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Applications_license)\
**Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 8:53am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049/3 "2025-03-10T08:53:44Z")

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yes, i’m report the crash, and i have the latest Rhino.

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**Author:** ![Gijs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/gijs/32/481553_2.png) [@Gijs](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Gijs)\
**Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 9:01am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049/4 "2025-03-10T09:01:25Z")

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did you provide an email address and/or description? Without it, it will be hard to find the crash report.

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**Author:** ![nathanletwory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/nathanletwory/32/482880_2.png) [@nathanletwory](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/nathanletwory)\
**Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 10:00am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049/5 "2025-03-10T10:00:55Z")

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I would not be surprised if it were the same as and helped by [Rhino 8 Crashes when I try to use Materials - #2 by nathanletwory](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crashes-when-i-try-to-use-materials/200398/2)

@Applications_license as @Gijs mentions, please enter your e-mail address as well, that helps us devs find the crash reports more reliably.

If you want me to have a quick look you could copy&paste the crash report (the text from th “Problem and System Information” box) from that reporter dialog here as well.

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**Author:** ![Santa](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/santa/32/660233_2.png) [@Santa](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Santa)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 6:49pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049/6 "2025-03-20T18:49:28Z")

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Hi i have the same problem, after updating MAC OS rhino is crashing all the time. Some files I can’t even open other ones when I try to apply material it crashes.

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**Author:** ![Santa](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/santa/32/660233_2.png) [@Santa](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Santa)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 6:49pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049/7 "2025-03-20T18:49:47Z")

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Did you resolve the problem?

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**Author:** ![Gijs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/gijs/32/481553_2.png) [@Gijs](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Gijs)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 6:50pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049/8 "2025-03-20T18:50:53Z")

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@Santa pls run \_SystemInfo in Rhino and post back the results

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**Author:** ![Santa](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/santa/32/660233_2.png) [@Santa](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Santa)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 6:54pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049/9 "2025-03-20T18:54:14Z")

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Rhino 8 SR17 2025-3-7 (Rhino 8, 8.17.25066.07002, Git hash:master @ b14fcd901289f8715631debb308bc919a4988e07)  
License type: Educational, build 2025-03-07  
License details: Cloud Zoo

Apple macOS Version 15.3.2 (Build 24D81) (Physical RAM: 32GB)  
Mac Model Identifier: MacBookPro18,2  
Language: en  
.NET 7.0.0

Metal GPU Family Apple 7  
Metal GPU Family Common 3  
Metal GPU Family Mac 2  
Graphics processors  
Apple M1 Max  
Color LCD (1728 x 1117 @ 120.00Hz)  
GPU Vendor: Apple

USB devices  
None

Bluetooth devices  
None

Third party kernel extensions  
None

Third party plugins  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCore.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftObjectiveC.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreFoundation.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDarwin.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDispatch.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftIOKit.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSystem.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftXPC.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswift\_Builtin\_float.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswift\_Concurrency.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswift\_StringProcessing.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswift\_errno.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswift\_math.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswift\_signal.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswift\_stdio.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswift\_time.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftos.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftsys\_time.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftunistd.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDistributed.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftObservation.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftMetal.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftOSLog.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftQuartzCore.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftUniformTypeIdentifiers.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftsimd.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftRegexBuilder.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswift\_RegexParser.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCryptoTokenKit.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftAVFoundation.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreAudio.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreLocation.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreMIDI.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreMedia.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreImage.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftAccelerate.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftMLCompute.dylib  
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/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCompression.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftFileProvider.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreGraphics.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftFoundation.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSwiftOnoneSupport.dylib  
/usr/lib/usd/libusd\_ms.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftIntents.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSafariServices.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSpatial.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftWebKit.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftAppleArchive.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDataDetection.dylib  
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/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDemangle.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftVideoToolbox.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftGameplayKit.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSpriteKit.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftPassKit.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftGLKit.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftMetalKit.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftModelIO.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSceneKit.dylib  
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftMapKit.dylib  
/usr/lib/log/liblog\_network.dylib

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino  
/Users/santa\_mac/Library/Application Support/McNeel/Rhinoceros/8.0/MacPlugIns/Enscape.Rhino8.Plugin.rhp “Enscape.Rhino8.Plugin” 4.1.1.35

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino  
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhMaterialEditor.framework “Renderer Development Kit” 8.17.25066.1002  
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.17.25066.7002  
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots” 8.17.25066.1002  
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.17.25066.7002  
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RDK\_EtoUI.rhp “RDK\_EtoUI” 8.17.25066.7002  
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.17.25066.7002  
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.17.25066.7002  
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.17.25066.7002  
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/AnimationTools.rhp “AnimationTools” 8.17.25066.1002  
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools” 8.17.25066.1002  
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/RhinoRender.rhp “Legacy Rhino Render” 8.17.25066.1002  
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Displacement.rhp “Displacement” 8.17.25066.1002  
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/PanelingTools.rhp “PanelingTools” 8.17.25066.1002  
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoDLR\_Python.rhp “IronPython” 8.17.25066.7002  
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/GrasshopperPlugin.rhp “Grasshopper” 8.17.25066.7002

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**Author:** ![Santa](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/santa/32/660233_2.png) [@Santa](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Santa)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 6:55pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049/10 "2025-03-20T18:55:40Z")

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do you need also crash report?

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**Author:** ![Gijs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/gijs/32/481553_2.png) [@Gijs](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Gijs)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 7:00pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049/11 "2025-03-20T19:00:58Z")

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@Santa if Rhino crashes and you get a crash report, yes, pls send these in, they are extremely helpful in solving these kind of bugs.  
Does Rhino also crash if you disable Enscape?

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**Author:** ![nathanletwory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/nathanletwory/32/482880_2.png) [@nathanletwory](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/nathanletwory)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 7:25pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049/12 "2025-03-20T19:25:21Z")

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I have checked the crashreports. Follow the steps here:

> [@Rhino 8 Crashes when I try to use Materials](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crashes-when-i-try-to-use-materials/200398/2):
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> Please try restarting your device. If it persists then: restart Rhino without opening a document, then Rhino 8 \> Settings \> Rhino Render. Switch to the CPU tab and make sure CPU is checked as render device. Then restart Rhino and see if this helps with materials. Please send in crash reports when the Rhino crash reporter dialog appears after a crash - do fill in your email address, that helps us to understand better about crashes, and potentially reach out for more information.

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**Author:** ![Santa](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/santa/32/660233_2.png) [@Santa](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Santa)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2025, 10:56am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049/13 "2025-03-22T10:56:20Z")

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I did its lets see. Before I had it on metal and not cpu. Why it’s not working on metal - isn’t metal render better than cpu?

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**Author:** ![Santa](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/santa/32/660233_2.png) [@Santa](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Santa)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2025, 10:57am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049/14 "2025-03-22T10:57:52Z")

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regards crash report it’s too long and I can’t put it here but I’m sending it all the time when it’s appear

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**Author:** ![nathanletwory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/nathanletwory/32/482880_2.png) [@nathanletwory](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/nathanletwory)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2025, 11:38am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049/15 "2025-03-22T11:38:52Z")

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I already checked your crash reports. The instructions to switch to CPU will help until a fix is found - most likely from Apple’s side.

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**Author:** ![Matt\_Runion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/matt_runion/32/658531_2.png) [@Matt\_Runion](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Matt_Runion)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2025, 3:23pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049/16 "2025-03-22T15:23:44Z")

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Can you elaborate on what the issue might be, even from Apple’s side?

I am considering purchasing Rhino but I don’t want to do so if Rhino has some rendering broken and it’s something that Apple won’t fix.

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**Author:** ![nathanletwory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/nathanletwory/32/482880_2.png) [@nathanletwory](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/nathanletwory)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2025, 5:50pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049/17 "2025-03-22T17:50:13Z")

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Something in Metal driver crashes. I am unable to repro on my own M2 Max MacbookPro, but the crash reports are clear and we’re collaborating with them to find a fix.

Rendering works for Raytraced and Rhino Render, but if you run into this particular crash you’ll have to switch to CPU until a fix is available.

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**Author:** ![Applications\_license](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/applications_license/32/657174_2.png) [@Applications\_license](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Applications_license)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2025, 9:58am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049/18 "2025-03-23T09:58:53Z")

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this actually worked, and the issue is solved, thank you so much

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**Author:** ![nathanletwory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/nathanletwory/32/482880_2.png) [@nathanletwory](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/nathanletwory)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2025, 7:24pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049/19 "2025-03-24T19:24:11Z")

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A post was split to a new topic: [Crash copying components](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/crash-copying-components/201914)

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**Author:** ![Johannes\_Pfeifle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/johannes_pfeifle/32/660924_2.png) [@Johannes\_Pfeifle](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Johannes_Pfeifle)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2025, 7:09pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-crash-on-mac-after-update/201049/20 "2025-03-24T19:09:41Z")

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I have a similar problem but cant even change to cpu before it is crashing. It already crashes when I open the rendering window or the render settings.  
same with materials tab etc.

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