Resizing pop-up toolbar

Hi Mike - if I am not mistaken you are getting that in your clip as well - it pops up to the right - is this not the cascader from the center button?

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-Pascal

That is correct, however I can’t reach it. To clarify, I see that the “Blocks Popup” menuu cascades open when I hover over the center button. The problem arises when I try to move my cursor to it. I inevitably pass one of the other buttons in the popup toolbar and the cascaded menu changes to the new one before I can reach the Block tools.

I can see this center toolbar, yet it is always out of reach.

Oh, you mean I actually have to use it, and not just make demo clips? Got it, thank you.

-Pascal

Hi Pascal. Just to be clear - is this ‘cascading toolbars’ solution from a single (untabbed) PopUp the proposed permanent solution to not having a tabbed PopUp, or just a workaround until something better comes along?

If it’s the former, then to put it politely it’s a “sub-optimal” solution and a step backwards from what was available in previous versions of Rhino.

Hi Matt - discussions ongoing as we speak…

-Pascal

Hi Pascal does this cascading feature work in Rhino 7 or this that just coming to Rhino 8, ive followed your instructions but my popups don’t cascade out.

Hi Tommy- this is all V8/WIP.

-Pascal

RH-70586 is fixed in the latest WIP

Hi Brian,

I just downloaded the latest WIP and tried this out. The tooltips are working fine now on my machine.

Thanks!

Hello,
I tried cascading on v8 PC… but it’s seem i could not open it on MAC…is it available?
What the name to choose to assign in on middle mouse? because by default I see only the old v7 popuptoolbar

Thanks

Hi Pascal - Has any decision been made on the direction that’ll be taken with this one yet?

Hi @pascal, I’ve been working with the new cascade toolbar in the WIP for a while now, and I’ve got to agree with MattE on this. The new cascading popup toolbar, which is larger and cannot be anchored, tabbed, or reproportioned is “suboptimal” compared to the popup toolbar in v7.

The “fast cascading” action on the new WIP popup doesn’t seem to save any time at all, especially if you have many cascading menus which get in each other’s way.

Hi Mike - thanks for the feedback, I’ll see what can be done.

-Pascal

adjust its size here:
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this is on the list as RH-71569 Popup Toolbar size and behavior

Hi @Gijs - can you add a request to that YouTrack for the reinstatement of tabs for the popup toolbar? Previously it’s been possible to assign any toolbar, or toolbar collection, to the popup function and that is a very useful, flexible, user-definable facilty. The current implementation in v8 is a reduction of this utility.

Surely it must be possible to allow assignment of a ‘container’ to the MMB popup? If it ain’t bust, don’t fix it…

@MattE I think it destroys the way it works now if we would do that. You can assign any toolbar to a button to cascade, so let’s say you want to popout 3 possible toolbars, then assign those to 3 buttons on your popup toolbar. Would that work for you? (assuming the cascading issue gets fixed)

@Gijs - This is my current setup for the MMB popup:

Popup 01

Popup 02

Popup 03

Popup 04

This is v5, but I’ve got virtually the same thing going on in v7.

All of them a mere flick of the scroll wheel away once I’ve clicked the MMB. I very rarely need to venture to the docked toolbars. On a multi-screen setup, the reduction in mouse miles is massive. Focus is always on the part of the model/drawing on which I’m working. The tabs make things dumbed-down modal; the tab displayed is remembered from the previous use, so if I’m in ‘dimensioning mode’ I get the dims tab, no matter whether I’m in model space or Layouts.

What’s currently going on in v8 just can’t compete with this level of functionality, if I understand it correctly.

What would be beneficial would be the ability to use the vectored button graphics in v8 to user-set the colour scheme (button background colour would be No.1, IMHO) in ‘clusters’ so that the user can group collections of buttons with associated functions in the users own mind map - not necessarily what Rhino defines. The tabs I’ve shown have clusters of associations within each tab in my own mind map. Others may not see that, but that doesn’t matter, as it’s me that doing the work :smile:

Hi @Gijs,

Yes, I’m aware of the button size slider, but there is a considerable amount of dead space between buttons compared to the v7 version of the popup. That’s what I mean when I say that the cascading popup toolbar is larger.

Unfortunately, the current WIP popup does not work well when it is only populated by cascading menus. the automatically cascading sub-toolbars overlap each other, sometimes making navigation impossible. The automatically opening popups also sometimes make it difficult to move from one toolbar to the next without changing the open sub-toolbar when you accidentally scroll over another button.

Please see my images and discussion with Pascal above.

yes I know, this I communicated to the dev already.

I have to ask, I don’t know why that has been designed this way.