VisualArq version: 2.2.3.12616
Oh and all those prints are Rhino Pdfs - please ignore where it says Adobe pdf in the title.
Can you please try to print this model (or any other model) without VisualARQ being loaded?
First unisntall VisualARQ or disable âVisualARQâ and âTibidaboâ plug-ins from the Rhino Plug-In Manager.
I want to make sure if its a VisualARQ issue or not.
Thanks,
Enric
Ok, so here are a number of versions:
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Version with just 2D lines in model space. The quality is sharp- which is great.
WIREFRAME_2D LINES IN MODEL SPACE_RHINO PDF_VECTOR 1200DPI.pdf (930.0 KB) -
Version using a clipping plane to create a plan section, and a copy of the shaded setting with the clipping plane âshow fillsâ option enabled. Wierdly the fills show as grey the layout but print white in PDF. If you zoom into the lines you will see some pixellation starting to happen similar to the other bad quality prints.
COPY OF SHADED_WALLS BOOLEANED_RHINO PDF_VECTOR 1200DPI.pdf (1.4 MB)
It doesnt seem like pixellation/print quality problem this is a VisualArq problem. Seems to be a Rhino PDF problem. But now its also strange that the fills are not printing at all without VisualArq installed!
The shading problem, which is now another separate issue to the pixellation/quality persists even if a print directly from model space with both vector and raster pdf settings.
MODEL SPACE PLAN_VECTOR_RHINO PDF_1200DPI.pdf (31.5 KB)
MODEL SPACE PLAN_RASTER_RHINO PDF_1200DPI.pdf (399.6 KB)
Hi @shirahockman,
What I see in yours PDF files, is that it seems that most of these prints are raster, even if you name them âVECTORâ. I think that Rhino is printing in raster mode even when you ask for vector output.
I thought that Rhino used a combined printing mode when printing in vector mode and there are details that can only be printed in raster. But it seems Iâm wrong. @stevebaer shoud know more about this.
Enric
Iâve tried and it seems combined mode works fine. Are you sure youâre using âVector outputâ mode?
Enric
I have double checked, and yes, I am printing Vector.
Here are the prints again and screengrabs of the print settings:
COPY OF SHADED_WALLS BOOLEANED_RHINO PDF_VECTOR 1200DPI_checked.pdf (1.4 MB)
For some reason, these PDF are in raster mode, not vector. If you zoom in, youâll see the pixels, which should never be visible if vector mode is used.
Which display mode is using the detail?
Enric
Hi Enric
The display mode of the plan view in each pdf is shown in each of the prints, to the right of the plan. One is wireframe and the other is a modified version of Rhinoâs âshadedâ display mode.
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Yes I know! This is the point I am trying to make.
What I would like to know is: Is this a Rhino bug or is there a problem with my settings or my system.
A âshadedâ detail will be always printed in raster mode. Thatâs the problem. The only display modes that can ve printed in vector mode are âWireframeâ and âHiddenâ.
So thatâs not a bug.
Enric
"The only display modes that can ve printed in vector mode are âWireframeâ and âHiddenâ.
Ok, but Hidden is a specifically VisualArq display mode right? When I uninstalled VisualArq it disappeared, so I had to use a modified version of shaded mode.
so going back to trying to printing with VisualArq installed using Hidden display mode here are my results using Rhino, Adobe.
PDf Quality_VA installed_hidden display_adobe pdf.pdf (1.2 MB)
PDf Quality_VA installed_hidden display_rhino pdf.pdf (1.6 MB)
Adobe is better quality than Rhino but both still seem to be rasters and pixellated.
My question still remains, as to how to get rid of this pixellation.
hi Steve
Here is a test of the same file using SR8. Its frinted at 1200 dpi using Rhin PDF. It is still pixellated.
007C CHALLENGER EXT SET BUILD_SLIDING DOOR_20180802_raster_1200dpi.pdf (585.4 KB)
This is what I get with Rhino 6.7 and VisualARQ 2.2, âHiddenâ display mode, âRhino PDFâ printer:
32c_milmay_park_20180729.dm.pdf (69.5 KB)
As you can see, file size is much smaller, and quality is better.
NOTE: The missing hatch line in the bottom-left corner is a bug in VisualARQ thatâs already fixed in VisualARQ 2.3.
How are you inserting the screenshots in the PDF? Can you please try to print without them?
Regards,
Enric
I inserted them using the picture command in layout space.
Here are the prints using Adobe and Rhino PDF writers after having deleted the screengrabs from the layouts.
Same result again.
PDf Quality_VA installed_hidden display_adobe pdf_1200dpi_no screengrabs 2.pdf (205.5 KB)
PDf Quality_VA installed_hidden display_microsoftpdf.pdf (1.9 MB)
And here is my working file:
PDf Quality_VA installed.3dm (4.5 MB)
If I open the last 3DM and print it, I get a vector PDF:
PDf Quality_VA installed_hidden_rhino.pdf (52.2 KB)
So I donât know what is going on on your Rhino. Can you please disable or uninstall all third-party plugins (including VisualARQ) ? Also, try to print a new document with just a couple of curves.
Enric
@stevebaer, do you know whatâs going on?
So I manage to get a vector pdf with all 3rd party plugin disabled and just 3 curves in a completely new file printing with Rhino PDF.
disabled plugins test.pdf (3.3 KB)
Then I copied and pasted the geo from the file I sent you in and printed using wireframe mode and got a vector PDFdisabled plugins test 1 with mildmay ge_va on.pdf (291.1 KB)
Then I renabled VisualArq and printed in hidden display mode and got a raster outputMILDMAY PASTED IN NEW FILE_VA ON_HIDDEN DM.pdf (315.0 KB)
I then switched back to wireframe to see what would happen, and got a vector pdf
MILDMAY PASTED IN NEW FILE_VA ON_WIREFRAME DM.pdf (47.4 KB)
So it seems the problem is with the Hidden display mode?
Here are the working files. (hidden and wireframe display mode are on default sttings but I cinlcuded them anyway just incase)Wireframe.ini (11.4 KB)
Hidden.ini (11.4 KB)
mildmay pasted in new file_VA on.3dm (4.8 MB)
I would need to run Rhino with VA in the debugger to figure out what is happening. Rhino decides to draw detail viewports in vector mode if it thinks it can. There must be something happening in VA/hidden mode that causes Rhino to think that it needs to generate a raster image instead. @enric if you are debugging in Rhino, look for the DetailCanBeDrawnWithGdi and see if we are somehow making the wrong decision when VA is running.
Hi @shirahockman,
This is not a vector PDF⌠it is raster, so it seems the problem happens even when VisualARQ is not loaded.
Iâve tried to reproduce the issue many times @stevebaer, but I canât. Hidden mode has the m_bShadeSurface bool to false, which I thought is what makes Rhino decide to use GDI. I cannot find the function DetailCanBeDrawnWithGdi.
Enric