New bug/behavior? Help and Notification tabs open on R7 startup

Updated Rhino 7 to 7.35.23346.11001 a few days ago. System info below. Now the Help and Notification tabs are open when starting Rhino. I close the panel, close Rhino, and it reopens with them open. This is new and not desired.

Sidenote, the 10 day old driver notification is of dubious use:

System Info - Rhino 7

Rhino 7 SR35 2023-12-12 (Rhino 7, 7.35.23346.11001, Git hash:master @ 6916542aa86609e2c43094fedcff51a3bd3c5723)
License type: Commercial, build 2023-12-12
License details: Cloud Zoo

Windows 10 (10.0.17134 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 16Gb)

Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [100% battery remaining]

Non-hybrid graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA Quadro P2000 with Max-Q Design (NVidia) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 12-1-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 537.99
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port

Secondary graphics devices.
Intel(R) UHD Graphics P630 (Intel) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 2-18-2021 (M-D-Y).
> Integrated graphics device with 3 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device. Laptop lid is probably closed

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 12-1-2023
Driver Version: 31.0.15.3799
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 4 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\Users\Armen\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\7.0\ColorPicker\6.0.0\ColorPicker.rhp “ColorPicker”

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 7.35.23346.11001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 7.35.23346.11001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\RhinoRender.rhp “Legacy Rhino Render”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 7.35.23346.11001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\rdk_ui.rhp “Renderer Development Kit UI”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\IronPython\RhinoDLR_Python.rhp “IronPython” 7.35.23346.11001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 7.35.23346.11001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\Grasshopper\GrasshopperPlugin.rhp “Grasshopper” 7.35.23346.11001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 7.35.23346.11001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Users\Armen\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\7.0\SectionTools\2021.4.30.511\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

Thanks.

Perhaps not being able to refresh a license is a serious enough condition to force that information to be seen?
-wim

I mean… how would I be able to say? I’m also using Rhino 8 occasionally, system info below.

Either way, I own a license (still a tremendous value, please no one misinterpret) and I never want to see the notification and help panels. They now appear in a single panel with a disco flash every time I start Rhino 7, whether or not R8 is open, was just closed before R7, or has been closed between two consecutive R7 starts.

System Info - Rhino 8

Rhino 8 SR3 2024-1-2 (Rhino 8, 8.3.24002.13001, Git hash:master @ 53981ac4d699fd2ad4bfbda0b94b4239e72e9585)
License type: Evaluation, build 2024-01-02
License details: Cloud Zoo
Expires on: 2024-03-04

Windows 10 (10.0.17134 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 16Gb)
.NET 7.0.0

Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [100% battery remaining]

Non-hybrid graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA Quadro P2000 with Max-Q Design (NVidia) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 12-1-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 537.99
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port
Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA Quadro P2000 with Max-Q Design (NVidia) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 12-1-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 537.99
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port

Secondary graphics devices.
Intel(R) UHD Graphics P630 (Intel) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 2-18-2021 (M-D-Y).
> Integrated graphics device with 3 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device. Laptop lid is probably closed

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 12-1-2023
Driver Version: 31.0.15.3799
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 4 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.3.24002.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.3.24002.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.3.24002.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.3.24002.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.3.24002.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.3.24002.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.3.24002.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

That’s correct. And that license is stored in your Cloud Zoo so that you can run Rhino on different machines at different times.

When Rhino runs this way, every so often it checks to see if it can find the license. If it can’t for whatever reason, you’ll still be able to use Rhino “offline” for some period. The date when that period ends can be found on the Rhino Options -> Licenses page.

When that day comes, and Rhino hasn’t been able to refresh the lease, you’ll still be able to work, but won’t be able to save. We deem that to be important enough to be notified about well ahead of time.

You should be able to pull those apart, and that setting should then be remembered between settings. Everything regarding panels was written from scratch in Rhino 8, mostly because the way it used to be wasn’t completely reliable all of the time.
-wim

Let me clarify: I’m saying this panel with Help and Notification tabs is now appearing in Rhino 7 and is new behavior as of the updates I described above.

Pulled the two tabs apart, close R7.

Open R7, they’re combined:

Close panel successfully, close R7, open R7, panel reappears after two disco flashes:

I hope that provides more clarity.

Edit to say: if you understood that my current issue is in Rhino 7 and that panels were rewritten in Rhino 8 in order to correct behavior like I’m experiencing, then I suspect we have a new bug in R7 that needs fixing.

I’m afraid I’ve had that happen here several times with Rhino 7 in the past. It happens and then goes away again. We have never been able to reproduce what causes this and hope this has gone away with Rhino 8. I hope that clarifies things.
-wim

Thank you for your frank reply. I’m stunned. Has this bug been reported before?