Multiple Containers keep showing up in my workspace

Here is my problem. All these containers keep coming up. No matter what I do, I deleted them all and keep only the ones I use. I tried saving the file after and when I open the file right away it seems fixed but after a few hours they come back on.

I tried creating a new template. Does not work. I tried using a default rhino template. Does not work.

The only pattern I have found is that if I restart the computer it after deleting the Containers and saving the file they come back immediately. Besides that pattern I do not find any other.

What is annoying is that If I delete them at the beginning of my work session they will appear randomly after a few hours and start filling up my work space with floating and non floating containers.

Please advice.

Hi Jaime -
Please run the Rhino SystemInfo command and copy-paste its output here.
-wim

I have the same problem. Look at all those duplicates!

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.NET 8.0.14

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Color LCD (1728 x 1117 @ 120.00Hz)
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USB devices
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Bluetooth devices
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This is becoming very annoying now. The containers keeps coming up and more and more are being added with every use and no way to get rid of them permanently. When does it stop?

This sounds really annoying. The first thing I need to do to help is to reproduce this.

Can you zip up and send me this folder '/Users/<name>/Library/Application Support/McNeel/Rhinoceros/8.0'.

The forum is fine, or if you want to do it confidentially you can drop it here → https://www.rhino3d.com/upload?to=callum@mcneel.com.

Callum. I tried to upload it but the zip up file still 2.7 gb and exceeds the max upload limit.

Is it much smaller if you don’t include plugins?

I took out all the TextureCatches and uploaded again

Following up here. It keeps growing and now started to crash constantly

Sorry Jamie I’m not been feeling too hot lately. I’ll look into this as soon as I can.
Are you able to still use Rhino or is it completely unusable now?

No worries.

I’m able to use it but now it is giving me weird glitches, my memory usage jumps way high and is showing me 170gb use on Rhino only and I have to restart it. plus when I go from one layout sheet to another it crashes sometimes. I feel it is just not going to be usable for too long. way too many tool containers open at the same time.

I think there are a number of strange things going on here that definitely need looking at and a resolution.

Are you able to share the file in which changing layouts causes the crash to the same upload url?

Unfortunately no. NDA does not allow me.

Someone replied to your post.

| Callum Sykes McNeel
March 17 |

  • | - |

Are you able to share the file in which changing layouts causes the crash to the same upload url?

What I’ll do is I’ll work on a fix for these silly duplicating containers and get a custom 8.x build you can try. If that fixes it, we’re good, if that fixes some things but not everything, then we’ll work from there.

Thank You Callum!. This will be a big thing for many Rhino Mac users!.

Best,

J.S