Hey all,
I’ve just noticed, there is an “inconvenience” which is related to moving objects. The speed of the move command is quite “laggy” or slow in V6. Much slower than in V5. I am experiencing this only within this command (so far). Any ideas what could cause it?
Do you have any extra plug-ins installed?
If so, does this lag go away of your temporarily disable them and restart Rhino?
Options > Plugins > Plugins that do not ship with Rhino
Well, unload plugins doesn’t help. But the situation goes better when I uncheck GPU tessalation (I have quite old laptop with NVS 4200 graphic card). Still not perfect, but better. I remember I had several performance issues with V6 in past. Could it be caused because of the bigger GPU utilization of V6 than V5?
Absolutely.
V6 requires a higher OpenGL specification too.
This only happens with the Move command? I doubt that this is solely due to GPU tessellation being enabled and that there is something else going on. Can you post the results of running the “SystemInformation” command here? Maybe some of this information will help us figure out what is going on.
Displacement property slows down the Move command unless the initial mesh quality is set to low (or Displacement is turned off).
I’ve noticed this other places as well. Selecting objects is definitely slower in V6. Plus it tends to bog down after prolonged orbiting and panning in the perspective view. Mostly in shaded mode or rendered mode.
Just out of curiosity - you can try the same command in fullscreen. A good percentage of slowdowns is actually caused by UI drawing code. Especially numeric fields update way too fast.
hmmm, good point. It seems this problem appears within commands related to “moving” objects (copy, move, mirror etc.) But in general, V6 seems to be much more slower in operating with these command than V5. (in my case). Maybe there is some settings which could help to increase the performance…?
Here is my system info:
Rhino 6 SR7 2018-7-2 (Rhino 6, 6.7.18183.14071, Git hash:master @ 9cbbaac139cbf6c08c2e0e73e0a1f88fd0021a4a)
Licence type: Educational, build 2018-07-02
License details: Cloud Zoo. In use by: Petr Tůma ()
Windows 7 SP1 (Physical RAM: 7.9Gb)
Machine name: PETR-THINK
NVS 4200M/PCIe/SSE2 (OpenGL ver:4.6.0 NVIDIA 391.74)
OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Anti-alias mode: None
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: Height
Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 6-4-2018
Driver Version: 23.21.13.9174
Maximum Texture size: 16384 x 16384
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 16384 x 16384
Total Video Memory: 1 GB
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 6.7.18183.14071
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\WebBrowser.rhp “WebBrowser”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\RhinoScript.rhp “RhinoScript”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\IdleProcessor.rhp “IdleProcessor”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\RhinoRender.rhp “Rhino Render”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 6.7.18183.14071
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\rdk_ui.rhp “Renderer Development Kit UI”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Alerter.rhp “Alerter”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 6.7.18183.14071
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 6.7.18183.14071
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Calc.rhp “Calc”
My mesh quality is set to low
Here’s a few things to try…
Run PlugInManager and disable Snapshots, 3Dconnexion 3D Mouse, and Displacement. Then restart Rhino and test speeds. I don’t think these plug-ins are causing problems, but it is good to eliminate these as possible causes. If the display seems the same speed go ahead and re-enable these plug-ins
Close the properties panels and test display speed again.
That is all I can think of at the moment to try.
Plugins disabled but without any response. Weird, V6 should be faster even on my older laptop huh?
Does the model appear faster in V6 when you run TestMaxSpeed compared to V5? Note: you need to run TestMaxSpeed a few times and take an average to do a decent comparison.
Haha, this is exactly what I’ve just done…V6 is 3 times slower! Something must be wrong. What could it be?
Ok, so this really isn’t isolated to the Move command and has more to do with Rhino V6 performance in general. We were going down the wrong path. Having the display actually improve in performance after turning GPU tessellation off is definitely a sign that this GPU really wasn’t designed to run at the OpenGL levels that the driver reports it being capable of.
I’ll look into adding a test command to force Rhino to run at a lower OpenGL level than what the card reports to see if the situation improves in these “legacy” modes.
yep, obviously my GPU doesn’t handle it. So if there is some possibility to force Rhino V6 behave at least as V5 (in term of performance) it would be very appreciated! Unless until I obtain a new pc, thank you Steve
Hello, I’m new with rhino. I have v6, my pc is a laptop with i7hq and gtx950m. I’m experiencing lag only when using commands like move, copy etc just like @petumatr… I also tried to disable tessellation and antialiasing, but I can’t find any difference… What could I try? It’s pretty annoying. Thank you
(I have no plugins, just an updated clean rhino version, and my gpu drivers are up-to-date)
UPDATE:
Okay, though it was a small cad drawind (I imported it from autoCAD), there was a layer with 31000 lines…
Since I swithed it off, the performances are really better. Also, I found that if I use only one viewport at a time, there’s no lag at all!
Anyway, I hope this issue won’t come back when I’ll work on bigger projects.
Thank you.
Hi all,
coming back to this thread after a while…I’ve bought a new desktop. I think it is a quite cool machine with its specification (check below)
However, the performance problem with commands as “move”, “copy” or dragging by gumball is still present! Drivers are up to date, gpu and cpu is used not even by 10%. I tried to download Rhino 5. And things are way better. No lags while moving objects. Actually, the “testmaxspeed” seems to be better within my drawing. Is someone involved in this issue? I don’t want to make a move back to the Rhino 5, but these performance problems are really annoying and may force me to jump back to R5 
Petr
Rhino 6 SR11 2018-11-27 (Rhino 6, 6.11.18331.19171, Git hash:master @ 96781d86a3016c6680f1bf39f87ce37364ec2323)
Licence type: Educational, build 2018-11-27
License details: Cloud Zoo. In use by: Petr Tůma ()
Windows 10.0 SR0.0 or greater (Physical RAM: 64Gb)
Machine name: DESKTOP-5N7OJJO
Quadro K4000/PCIe/SSE2 (OpenGL ver:4.6.0 NVIDIA 411.95)
OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: Height
Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 11-8-2018
Driver Version: 24.21.14.1195
Maximum Texture size: 16384 x 16384
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 16384 x 16384
Total Video Memory: 3 GB
Rhino plugins
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 6.11.18331.19171
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\WebBrowser.rhp “WebBrowser”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\RhinoScript.rhp “RhinoScript”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\RhinoBonusTools.rhp “Rhino Bonus Tools”
C:\Program Files\Common Files\McNeel\Rhinoceros\6.0\Plug-ins\ColorPicker (336da4ab-03d3-42ca-b1fb-313bfd4c1157)\2018.2.5.819\ColorPicker.rhp “ColorPicker”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\IdleProcessor.rhp “IdleProcessor”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Tibidabo\Tibidabo.rhp “Tibidabo”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\RhinoRender.rhp “Rhino Render”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 6.11.18331.19171
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\rdk_ui.rhp “Renderer Development Kit UI”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Alerter.rhp “Alerter”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\IronPython\RhinoDLR_Python.rhp “IronPython” 6.11.18331.19171
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 6.11.18331.19171
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Tibidabo\VisualARQ.rhp “VisualARQ”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Grasshopper\GrasshopperPlugin.rhp “Grasshopper” 6.11.18331.19171
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Tibidabo\Lands.rhp “Lands Design”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 6.11.18331.19171
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Calc.rhp “Calc”
Hello - can you please try disabling VisualArq and Lands and Tibidabo in Options > PlugIns page and then restart Rhino and see if the same problem exists?
-Pascal
This may be an issue that was recently fixed and will be available in SR12. Here is one of our daily builds of SR12 if you want to give it a try. We should be starting the process of releasing SR12 release candidates next week.
http://files.mcneel.com/dujour/exe/20181204/rhino_en-us_6.12.18338.08111.exe