GH was never meant to be a history editor. It was always meant to be a visual programming tool. I was there at the very genesis.
In reality, GH was really just an extension of the “Monkey” project - which became the script editor.
Too much of legitimate negative feedback is taken as whining on here too…
Hi @pascal, @stevebaer
I guess the name explicit history editor threw me before it was renamed to Grasshopper. Next time I order a burger I’ll ask for a coke.
RM
Here you can read up on the old explanation of the term:
https://wiki.mcneel.com/labs/explicithistory/expressionlanguage
I guess your definition of a burger might have been different than theirs. Talking about ordering food…
I ordered a pizza in Scotland once and it was both vegan, fried AND had fries on the side too… That was not the kind of Pizza I had in mind when I ordered… 
Let me fix it for you:
Too much of legitimate constructive feedback is taken as whining on here too…
…but yeah lots of love to the McNeel team, always. They are great. They drive me crazy sometimes, but still great.
G
Yeah,
Love for the McNeel crew. I think Rhino and Grasshopper are just unbelievably powerful and useful tools. The price is dirt cheap to boot. The level of engagement from the developers is uncommon. Really, to see David Rutten chime in on this forum is, well uncommon. When ever I think that Rhino is not working correctly (read, like I think it should) I generally find that it is me who does not understand and that whatever the “issue” is has been carefully thought out by the team at McNeel. I find the forum to be useful, the people to be generally helpful. And I would hate to see it devolve into a place of bullying and trolls. I am reminded of a quote by Austin Kleon in his book, Steal Like an Artist… “Complain about software by writing your own.”
Bill
I also think Rhino is a lovely and powerful tool. I love how headstrong McNeel has been in pioneering it. It’s also a great price .Thanks!
But it is a bit odd to go on about a private product and company quite a lot. It’s not open source, and all the ‘community’ inputs support a private revenue stream.
It would be far far more valuable to all if it was actually open source. It would develop faster, be more robust, have different flavours and toolsets and optimizations for different applications.
Not saying it should be, just saying there are ways to make it even better than it is.
On a personal note I think @3dsynergy has a point regarding the GH visual coding paradigm. It’s very inspiring at first, great to get visual designers into algorithmic design. But very limiting soon after. Computers aren’t best tasked using human visual interfaces. It why actual code, algorithmic optimization, alternative coding languages, and programs exist after all.
Goes both ways Gustavo 
. Thanks @andheum for this post; we can be a bit masochistic and generally enjoy the beatings, but at times you can start doubting if you are doing anything good. It’s nice to hear things like this once in while.
It should be noted that one of the primary motivations for doing this type of work is to help make the tools that people here use to make amazing things. My parents still have no idea what I do for a living, but I can refer to your work and say that I help provide the tools to make the things that you make. We know Rhino can be so much better and really don’t enjoy when things aren’t working for users.
Ok, now back to the beatings
I could not make the things that I do, have built the company, and created the jobs that I’ve had without your tools, and your team’s support. Sometimes we forget to say thanks for all that.
Thanks and I’ll beat you all later!
G
Of the 3 CAD I can operate I can safely say Rhino is still the all around best. Solid Edge has cool editing ability but I can’t model for 5 minutes on that without swearing like a sailor.
Dont’ do that, Steve !
Yes, once in a while.
But look at how many people liked Andrew’s original post … 
Rhino is … different. 
Just like Gustavo says, it can drive you crazy.
That does not mean that we don’t appreciate very much your work.
I see very few ‘professional’ complainers here (fortunately).
And a lot of users that remain, just like Mitch says, civil and friendly.
… Even when they keep asking for one more feature again and again …
Thank you very much !
P.S.
Looks like you might not be so good at explaining things … 
Please, keep coding (we know you are very good at that) and avoid writing docs. 
You’ve all succeeded brilliantly at this. Raise a glass 
to more to come…
And before that it was called ‘Semantic Modeling’. put that in your pipe and smoke it…
There are clear practical parallels between Rhino History and Grasshopper, but these are arrived at via wildly different approaches. You have to be an intelligent entity in order to see these parallels, there’s nothing fundamental about them.
I picture this…
“Son, we are worried. We don’t know what you are doing with your life. We don’t even know how you are making a living”
“Describe ‘We don’t know’… walking me to what are you trying to do to know. Can you provide me some examples that I can replicate and better understand it?”
“We just don’t know son, you are on the computer, typing all day, a bunch of text that makes no sense”
“Can you create some models, videos, or mockups to show me what I should do so, you understand what I do for a living? If you can’t do that I can’t even create a youtrack of the problem. And even if I do, I will end up leaving it for later, deprioritized because it’s hard to resolve.”
In that case Steve could show any of our works and be proud saying: it is my success too.
I started using Rhino many years ago ( 80’s ), as a free unpaid version. ( I know naughty ) But what that early time gave me was a way to learn how the program worked. I knew it was good even back then, but I was poor and could not afford the legal version.
Now that I am quite a bit older, and have paid in full for the last three versions. I am more than pleased with what Rhino has become.
Rhino is a fine example of what can be achieved by us humans, the 3D software is remarkable in its ability to do what it does. Hats off to McNeel. Very good work.
Now we also get to use Grasshopper, A huge step forward. Wow. Truly remarkable. I am slowly learning by way of a multitude of mistakes how Grasshopper works.
Incidentally ! Grasshopper help is not at all helpful.
The Help Forum has been very helpful though some of my simple questions go unanswered. perhaps they are too simple!
Any way, back to the adulation aimed at McNeel, Its staff, it’s capability to generate such a clever piece of software.
Any one who grumbles needs to step back a few years and see how drawing had to be dun with a pencil.
What Rhino offers is magnificent,
Very well done, to all involved.
Peter
Truth!
Gotta thank @andheum for starting this topic and for his awesome plugins and inspirational art. He’s absolutely right. Rhino is amazing, Grasshopper is incredible, and McNeel is awesome.
I too would’ve had a very different career if I were not able to so seamlessly blend Design and 3D Modeling with Computational Thinking, and Programming. I have no idea how Rhino and Grasshopper got to where they are today, but I can tell you, the software is a dream, and the community surrounding it is incredibly smart and generous with their time.
Thank you so much, for everything that you do, @stevebaer your CSharp samples and tutorials and your participation on these forums taught me how to code. @DavidRutten I’m so glad you did not just make a History Editor. @dave_stasiuk we’re huge fans of Proving Ground 
here at HDR.
Keep up the incredible work everyone. much love
I too would’ve had a very different career if I were not able to so seamlessly blend Design and 3D Modeling with Computational Thinking, and Programming.
My current job exists because Grasshopper exists…