License for sale?

sure, hope you get lucky. just for my curiosity, as a NPO science museum what do you need rhino for? to develop installation facility or for science projects themselves? sounds interesting.

another idea, if thats an alternative at all, would be to consult local universities (architecture for instance) that they shall send out an internal email to recruit somebody with a valid student license to help out in an interesting job. since those licences can even be used commercially which in your case would not apply of course, but they would be fully equipped in any way to help out. and you could do that even over seas, some people would be glad to travel and come and work for a while, even if not paid. give people from abroad a chance to blend in.

Good question. I use it to design the exhibits. I usually like having access to both Fusion and Rhino. It helps. But it is increasingly difficult to afford a software if you do not qualify for an educational / NPO discount.
I appreciate your comment about opening the projects for students, I think sometimes it’s possible and other times not. The museum has worked with students in the past on smaller projects.

Get somebody who does qualify for educational license to buy it for you. McNeel gets the $$ and you’re happy.

Well there are quite a few of us in here… Some local resellers might be able to give you a small discount, but in the US it will be almost impossible for them to beat Novedge’s price unless they sell to you at cost…

As far as the educational license is concerned, McNeel is pretty specific about the conditions necessary to qualify.

You do need to be actually enrolled in a school program as a student or be an employee of an accredited educational institution. NPO’s do not qualify unfortunately.

That’s not legal in that it violates the McNeel EULA. Individual educational licenses are personal and not transferable.

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It should be illegal to sell R6 in a state it’s in. :wink:

Return it (all 26) for full credit if it isn’t up to your standards… Personally I have hundreds of satisfied clients.

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I bet they’re using R7 WIP already.

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Nope. Most don’t even know it exists.

i am pretty sure you are taking this a bit too serious. generally i dont understand that idea of smashing somebody the quit option into the face.

No, not at all… Just replying in kind. Simply a reminder that the money-back option is always on the table.


a reminder which is by all means not needed, not at all, and most definitely not here. i grasped the humorous idea, it seems sense of humour is a rare one recently.

If the museum is worthy then you could get them to crowd fund the basic tools needed to set up exhibitions.


Senses of humor are as many and varied as there are Rhino users and ways to use Rhino…


that is pretty general and does not justify cynicism. but what do i know, those fl-atters did not reveal that you are actually humouring us :wink: and as long as it is ambivalent i call it unnecessary spoiling each others mood. over and out

No No No,
That it violates the McNeel EULA does not mean that it is not legal. The McNeel EULA is not the law. In EU it is legal and user agreements or contracts can not overrule the law. Software developers like to have it different but they can not overrule legislation. In this case whereby there is a difference between the law and a user agreement, the law prevails.

Great, would be really helpful if you could provide a link to the EU Law that applies.

Just did a quick check as I did not wanted to spend to much time on finding the “hard core text” but her some links. When you buy you own it.

Indeed, that looked really interesting, so I went to the original legislation, “DIRECTIVE 2009/24/EC OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 23 April 2009 on the legal protection of computer programs”.

And Article 4, Clause 2, Restricted Acts, does indeed say, “The first sale in the Community of a copy of a program by the rightholder or with his consent shall exhaust the distribution right within the Community of that copy, with the exception of the right to control further rental of the program or a copy thereof.” i.e. you can resell it.

But… Article 8, Continued application of other legal provisions, goes on to say "The provisions of this Directive shall be without prejudice to any other legal provisions such as those concerning patent rights, trade-marks, unfair competition, trade secrets, protection of semi-conductor products or the law of contract.

“Any contractual provisions contrary to Article 6 or to the exceptions provided for in Article 5(2) and (3) shall be null and void.”

Article 5(2) refers to backups, Article 5(3) refers to testing and study, Article 6 refers to decompilation. These are the only contractual areas which the Directive explicitly nullifies. Which means that if the EULA says that your copy of the software is only for use by an accredited student, then that contractual condition still applies. i.e. You can sell it to an accredited student but not to me.


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Hi Jeremy,

Being Dutch, I also took the Dutch version in addition to the English version. I am not a barrister though nor a lawyer but I am not sure whether to can follow yr explanation.

Currently I am the rightholder and I have the right to distribute it (Art 4.2) but may not just copy or rent it to others. (I may personal copies/backups art 5.2)

Selling the program to you, would make you the rightholder (and me the illegal user if I would continue using it).

It seems to work similar as with a book. I can buy it, I can sell the book but it has only one rightholder. He may make copies for personal use but may not distribute these copies to others.

Ebay is full of second hand computer games changing from one rightholder to the other without control of writers of the software. Is that illegal?

So if you want to buy my Rhino V5, drop me a mail.