# Layout visibility bug

**URL:** <https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/layout-visibility-bug/204285>\
**Category:** Rhino for Windows\
**Tags:** windows, rhino-8\
**Created:** [May 9, 2025, 4:36pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/layout-visibility-bug/204285 "2025-05-09T16:36:09Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 6\
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**Author:** ![NavArch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/navarch/32/672332_2.png) [@NavArch](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/NavArch)\
**Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 4:36pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/layout-visibility-bug/204285/1 "2025-05-09T16:36:09Z")

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Hello,  
There seems to be a bug or a weird implementation of the layout visibility controls in the Layer container that is making editing in layouts really difficult. Turning off the model visibility light bulb in the layer container doesn’t always turn off the visibility of a layer in a layout.

When I update a block some layers that I don’t want on in my layouts come in turned back on from the parent model. My preference is to just turn off the layer’s model visibility so that I don’t have to turn them off individually in each layout. However, turning off the model visibility doesn’t always result in turning off the layout visibility. when I go to a layout the model visibility light bulb in the Layer Container is set to off but the layout visibility light bulb is still turned on and the objects on that layer are still visible. Cycling the model visibility lightbulb doesn’t affect the layout visibility at all.

Now if I turn off the model visibility, and then cycle the layout visibility it will cycle off and then obey the model visibility by not turning back on. At this point the layout visibility will start to obey the model visibility and work going forwards.

Is this a bug or is there some reason for this “feature”

Thanks

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**Author:** ![Japhy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/japhy/32/487647_2.png) [@Japhy](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Japhy)\
**Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 5:42pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/layout-visibility-bug/204285/2 "2025-05-09T17:42:24Z")

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Hi NavArch,

What version of Rhino are you using?

Can you run the SystemInfo command in Rhino and post the result.

A small example file would be helpful as well. Thanks

> [@Please read this if you are logging a bug or issue](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/please-read-this-if-you-are-logging-a-bug-or-issue/173971):
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> If you are reporting a bug, it helps to: Check if you are running the latest Service Release Make a single topic for each issue Run \_SystemInfo in Rhino and paste the result in the topic. Send in a sample file that shows the issue whenever possible, even if it appears to happen ‘always’. Provide step by step instructions how to reproduce the issue This allows us to help you faster and will make it easier to log and track bugs Thanks in advance for your help!

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**Author:** ![NavArch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/navarch/32/672332_2.png) [@NavArch](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/NavArch)\
**Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 6:10pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/layout-visibility-bug/204285/3 "2025-05-09T18:10:10Z")

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I’m running the Latest Service release Candidate  
Version 8 SR19  
(8.19.25120.1001, 2025-04-30)

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**Author:** ![wim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/wim/32/747482_2.png) [@wim](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/wim)\
**Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 6:19pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/layout-visibility-bug/204285/4 "2025-05-09T18:19:49Z")

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Hi NavArch -  
As Japhy wrote, a small example would be good to have.  
I’m having a hard time picturing what’s happening when I try to follow your description.  
-wim

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**Author:** ![NavArch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/navarch/32/672332_2.png) [@NavArch](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/NavArch)\
**Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 6:33pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/layout-visibility-bug/204285/5 "2025-05-09T18:33:28Z")

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I’ll see if I can find the time to pair down the models and upload them.

In the mean time I’ll take a crack at trying to explain it another way. The visibility state of certain layers in my layout details are not obeying the model visibility state of the layer.  
Here is a snip from the layer tree with the model visibility set to ‘off’ and the detail visibility set to ‘on’  
 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/uploads/default/original/4X/4/b/a/4bacc23058243c19a16437bdc71d44cfef8c09e1.png)  
In this case even though the model visibility is set to ‘off’ the geometry on the Mold Lines layer is still visible in the detail.

If I cycle the detail visibility ‘off’ then the objects will disappear as they should. At this point the visibility controls revert to normal operation and I can’t turn the detail visibility back on unless the model visibility is first switched on.

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**Author:** ![wim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/wim/32/747482_2.png) [@wim](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/wim)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 7:46am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/layout-visibility-bug/204285/6 "2025-05-12T07:46:55Z")

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Hi NavArch -

> [@NavArch](#):
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> I’ll see if I can find the time to pair down the models and upload them.  
> […]  
> ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/uploads/default/original/4X/4/b/a/4bacc23058243c19a16437bdc71d44cfef8c09e1.png)

Please let us know if you have a reproducible way to put layers in the state as in that picture.  
-wim