# Layout graphic problems

**URL:** <https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/layout-graphic-problems/182055>\
**Category:** Rhino for Windows\
**Tags:** windows, layout, display, print\
**Created:** [May 14, 2024, 3:01pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/layout-graphic-problems/182055 "2024-05-14T15:01:47Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 4\
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**Author:** ![Krzysztof\_Benke](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/krzysztof_benke/32/567577_2.png) [@Krzysztof\_Benke](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Krzysztof_Benke)\
**Post date:** [May 14, 2024, 3:01pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/layout-graphic-problems/182055/1 "2024-05-14T15:01:47Z")

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Hello,

[MCH\_Tort karton\_20240514 RASTER.pdf](https://discourse.mcneel.com/uploads/short-url/307iPNUqmSHSc6myHUd0Y5kbWFk.pdf) (793.7 KB)  
[MCH\_Tort karton\_20240514 VECTOR.pdf](https://discourse.mcneel.com/uploads/short-url/doY5eqqXBDA1xWFSJ5EaP3CJeeu.pdf) (152.2 KB)  
when switching to rhino 8, I encountered a project failure. So I started making layouts in rhino as usual, but there were some problems that I had not encountered before in rhino 7. Well, in the case of the PEN view, which I liked to use for axonometry, there were problems with lines. So far, I haven’t used additional drawings, I just made views from the model and dimensioned things that way. Now there are some problems with the display of lines, i.e. when I set vector printing, some lines disappear and some appear, although they should not be visible. When changing to raster, the problem disappears, but I am not satisfied with it. Of course, I can make a drawing, but in the case of axonometry, this is problematic. A very small project as an example.

 ![ViewCapture20240514_164149](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/uploads/default/original/4X/c/9/f/c9fcabbb9cb3eae75093109b9efb3a77877961b8.jpeg)  
 ![ViewCapture20240514_164205](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/uploads/default/original/4X/c/7/9/c79911a5f46e80779106bfc9a868548000993f07.jpeg)  
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[MCH\_Tort karton\_20240514.3dm](https://discourse.mcneel.com/uploads/short-url/4IkJFw6iFHJstPrLSbgFDgpSumC.3dm) (2.4 MB)

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**Author:** ![wim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/wim/32/747482_2.png) [@wim](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/wim)\
**Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 4:06pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/layout-graphic-problems/182055/2 "2024-05-30T16:06:54Z")

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Hi Krzysztof -

> [@Krzysztof\_Benke](#):
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> A very small project as an example.

Thanks for that file.  
I’m afraid the only workaround at this point is to use `Make2D` and place the result in details on the layout.  
I’ve added a YT to see if we can disable printing details in technical display modes as vector. That would give the same result as what one would get in Rhino 7.  
 → [RH-82258](https://mcneel.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/RH-82258) Print: Disable Fake2D when printing  
-wim

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**Author:** ![Krzysztof\_Benke](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/krzysztof_benke/32/567577_2.png) [@Krzysztof\_Benke](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Krzysztof_Benke)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 3:53pm UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/layout-graphic-problems/182055/3 "2024-06-07T15:53:33Z")

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Thanks for your answer, I will try to work out everything in rhino, I have several projects I am working on, maybe I will be able to find a solution 🙂 maybe clipping drawing will be such a solution

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**Author:** ![Ruri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/mcneel/user_avatar/discourse.mcneel.com/ruri/32/768986_2.png) [@Ruri](https://discourse.mcneel.com/u/Ruri)\
**Post date:** [June 10, 2024, 10:13am UTC](https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/layout-graphic-problems/182055/4 "2024-06-10T10:13:42Z")

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Hello,

Thank you for your response - I was about to open a new forum post as I have found the same issue. I have several models with mechanical parts and piping. When I place the details on the layout, it looks great in the technical display mode. Yet when I go to print as a PDF, I have missing lines for seemingly no reason.

This is quite a major blow to me as I have to be able to deliver engineering drawings to our contractors.  
If Make2D can be used as a workaround, so be it. That will have to do for me for now.

I do hope this issue can be fixed, however, as being able to use detail views of the actual model in Layouts is so much more powerful than relying on Make2D.