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If you resize the blank panel, does it start displaying the controls? If that is the case, Windows isn’t asking the panel to repaint when it is first displayed and will give us a clue.

Also running into the same issue (somtimes) here in SR18, I’m using grasshopper with Elefront and Human UI plugin.

No, doesn’t work :

@JohnM and @curtisw can you take a look at the above video? Maybe this will give you an idea of something we can try to diagnose this issue.

Hi !
When you’re done fixing this problem, could you please take a look at my interface enhancement requests ?

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New and improved interface weirdness with the Text Dot dialog !
I copy/pasted a text dot, and everytime I select the new dot, this is what I get :

Thanks, Olivier. I see that here as well on Rhino 6.

I’ll have to go and figure out when this bug crept into some code - do you remember which version you were running before this started happening?

Hi Wim,

Well, I’m using 6 SR20 (6.20.19322.20361, 11/18/2019) right now, so since I do all the Service release updates.

Thanks again - so this didn’t happen in SR19? I’ll start there.
I filed RH-56254 for this bug.

OK, I just set up a spanking new MSI laptop with Windows 10 pro and my fresh Rhino install (latest WIP) already has trouble with the Dot dialog !!! JUST BLANK !!!

OSUI System.txt (2.3 KB)

The interface is BROKEN .

I just don’t understand why there’s not more people enraged about this !

I remember having issues with dialogues before related to V-Ray. Which V-Ray version do you use?

I wish I could point fingers at something else, but an earlier system info from Olivier shows no VRay installed on a system where he was having this issue. The bug seems very local to Olivier and his coworkers as I haven’t seen any other reports of this issue.

@JohnM do we have a test command to view all loaded modules for the Rhino process? Maybe there is a shell extension getting in the way that is specific to Olivier’s system

There’s nothing too “local” about my config, except I’m using Rhino in English and that my Windows 10 is set to French/French keyboard.

I remember there was at least another thread about this from someone not in France.

My guess is that there’s a bunch of people impacted, but not many bother to report.

As for me, I’m getting quite fed up to open a second Rhino instance to create my dot or text and paste it back in my model.
This is the middle-ages.

Ah ! This was the guy : Blank Floating Windows

We never heard back from the initial poster on that thread so I’m not sure if the fix that was made fixed his/her problem. I realize that there are many users that don’t report bugs and that there may be a percentage of users out there with the same issue that you are seeing.

There is definitely something specific about your config that makes this bug show up. Did you install any other software on this new MSI laptop? Did the laptop come with any “extra” bloatware when you got it?

Wait a minute, let’s be factual here. It’s not about “my config”.
This happens in our engineering office where people have various types of desktops (Dell, HP, locally integrated), and on at least three laptops (Alienware, Asus, MSI).
The engineering office is in the East near Lyon, and the laptops in the West, near Toulouse.

Simon Worhamer who also reported the issue is in Germany.
He fixed it by re-installing Windows. That should give you a hint.

My MSI GS65 Stealth Thin 9SF is brand new (and a heck of a machine if you want my opinion).
The only bloatware was Norton, and I shot it in the head the first time it popped up.

I think it’s about time that McNeel re-did the interface within a single robust, modern framework.
Less jittery
With a dark side
and possibly with better looks so that one unfamiliar with the state of things would not think Rhino is a crummy old Grasshopper plugin.

@stevebaer I’m not aware of a command to list the loaded modules associated with the Rhino process.

@osuire the following python script will copy the list of DLLs that Rhino is using to the clipboard. Can you try running this on your computer and send me the results?

import System
import System.Windows.Forms as swf

sb = System.Text.StringBuilder()
p = System.Diagnostics.Process.GetCurrentProcess()
for module in p.Modules:

print 'Module list copied to clipboard'

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@osuire you have the nahimic osd installed on your computer. This may be the source of the problem. See @jeff’s post about this at

It looks like the user in that post fixed his problem by disabling the nahimic service