Blocks + Groups

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Here is a newer thread that might help? Great Block Edit Plugin functions that hopefully will become native - #11 by Jun_Wang

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I second this. B.E.N. has really improved the ux of working with blocks and groups and especially nested blocks. I would love to see this become native to Rhino.

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RH-29232 is fixed in Rhino WIP

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Hello Brian,

referring to the “block edit ungrouping issue”, it still happens in Rhino 7: does someone plans to solve this as well, in a future service release? This problem is really annoying.

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Hi Gianpietro -

Yes, RH-83967 is still open.

Since Dale moved this to the 9.x list, there appears to be the intention that a future service release of Rhino 9 will fix this.
-wim

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No, we haven’t released any bug fixes in Rhino 7 for years. We’re on Rhino 8.28 now (with monthly service releases, that’s 2-1/3 years of fixes that have gone in). When we release Rhino 9, we’ll stop making fixes to Rhino 8.

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That’s ok, makes sense: thanks anyway for your answer.

Have a nice day Brian!

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RH-69609 is fixed in Rhino WIP

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Finally, blocks can have groups inside? Hope it does get included in Rhino 9. Still such a long way to fix what’s wrong with block and group editing in Rhino, but still glad to see it’s not completely being ignored.

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Hi L -

-wim

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yeah, that doesn’t mean it will actually be included in Rhino 9, so I was hoping it indeed happens.

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Lights in blocks have been ignored. We were told it was on 7.x list, but it actually sounds like it will be continuously ignored for the foreseeable future very unfortunately.

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RH-83967 is fixed in Rhino BETA

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@brian @wim

I made a short test right now with the latest build: “rhino_9.0.26181.12303” - it works, which is a wonderful thing! thank you, for implementing this - now I need to switch over to rhino9…

EDIT: it works for the first level - for example a block with a group inside.

when you create a block with a group inside, where that group has a group inside - so level 2, it breaks up the 2nd level. you are left with a group in a block, where the inside of the group is not grouped anymore.

my hopes are high, that this will be fixed, worked on soon!

best regards,

sebowim

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Hi Sebastian -

I’ve put this on the list as RH-96638 BlockEdit: Removes Groups
-wim

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RH-96638 is fixed in Rhino BETA

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It’s great to see that you are working on this, I think getting that functionality right, this can become a very powerful, timesaving tool. The bug from before is gone but a new problem arose.

new bug: If you create a group inside a block and inside that group you create a block then the block just created will disconnect from the initial block.

error: block - group - block!

best regards,

sebowim

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Hi Sebastian -

tja - that’s hardly surprising. Groups are nothing but a list of object IDs. When you turn an object into a block, that object no longer exists. An instance with a different ID is created.
→ RH-96838 Block: Removed from Group
-wim

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Hi @wim thanks for your fast response - I understand your description but I think something different happens here. In my tests I created a block, in that block I created a group (a list of object IDs), just for organisation, after that I created a block from some of those elements (inside the group). Now when I go back to the top level, the initial block does not contain the parts that were blocked inside the group (and inside the block), so I am left with a new block in the top level which should stay inside the initial block. (as demonstrated in the video)

long story short: blocking something inside a group, inside a block, extracts that block out of the initial block - which I don’t think should happen - but maybe I am confusing something.

PS: sorry for the “inside” and “outside” descriptions, the blockedit_new plugin alters my thinking here but in general its the same…

Best regards,

sebowim

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Hi Sebastian -

Here’s what I did:

  • Create a box
  • Array that into 4 x 2
  • Select all
  • Run Block
  • Double-click the block
  • Select 4 of 8 boxes
  • Run Group
  • Sub-object select two of those grouped boxes
  • Run Block

I’m not sure about this description and the video doesn’t help much. You are using a 3rd party plug-in and the video doesn’t show where you click or which commands you run.

Can you reproduce what you are running into with the standard block editor?
If so, please provide a few more steps of what I should be doing next in the description above.
-wim

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Hi @wim you are completely right - I disabled the plugin and ran the same commands you did, as for now I was not able to reproduce the behaviour I get with the plugin.

I will contact the developer of the plugin, I guess the new behaviour in rhino9wip needs to be implemented the right way into a future plugin-update.

As always thank you for looking into this, your time and help,

sebowim