Annotations in layout slow to edit/move

Rhino Rhino for Mac
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Hey all,

Now, I don’t have the most spec’d up mac, but my rhino runs completely fine with only a few exceptions. One of those is trying to move anything in layout is a complete pain because it slows and lags, making it difficult to actually control where you’re placing it. This is using either the gumball or move tool. Just quite confusing because I can work on quite complex models in the model space with little issue with lag, but as soon as I’m in layout, the program can’t handle me moving a display port or even some text without lagging. It’s not the end of the world and I am getting by but it feels a bit ropey.

First off wondering if that’s just me, or if anyone else experiences this? and if it’s not a widely experienced issue, is there some way to fix it?

Secondly, if it’s a common issue, maybe requesting in Rhino 9 that it improves!

I’m starting to do 100% of my work in rhino and its layout function - would love for it to be as easy as something like vectorworks some day.

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HI Katie -
Please run the Rhino SystemInfo command and copy-paste its output here.
-wim

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Rhino 8 SR29 2026-3-4 (Rhino 8, 8.29.26063.11002, Git hash:master @ bbd126f84fcdaf7a974615b7c9f4f8667571c147)
License type: Educational, build 2026-03-04
License details: Cloud Zoo

Apple macOS Version 15.7.4 (Build 24G517) (Physical RAM: 8GB)
Mac Model Identifier: MacBookPro17,1
Language: en-GB (MacOS default)
.NET 8.0.14

Metal GPU Family Apple 7
Metal GPU Family Common 3
Metal GPU Family Mac 2
Graphics processors
Apple M1
Color LCD (1440 x 900 @ 60.00Hz)
spdisplays_display (1920 x 1080 @ 60.00Hz)
GPU Vendor: Apple

USB devices
Generic: USB3.0 Card Reader
Realtek: USB 10/100/1000 LAN
VIA Labs, Inc. : USB Billboard Device
VIA Technologies Inc. : USB 2.0 BILLBOARD
VIA Labs, Inc. : USB Billboard Device

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None

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